More on the subject:
As I understand it Boredom is a wholly indispensable part of meditation, as it (if nothing else) serves to show you your neuroses in a real light, and allows you to work with whatever is there. Shamatha for example on a gross level seems to work largely based on the fact that boredom and ennui is the vehicle that will actually let you being peeling back a teeny, tiny corner of emptiness.
It seems to me that circumventing that process by simply trying to get all these cool experiences with substances is a terrible idea, and in the case of most people will lead far away from actual progress, though again I do acknowledge that there is no hard and fast rule, and I am sure there are some yogi who have used it..I just don't think you, (or me), or anyone here is likely to gain anything but a pale imitation of actual meditative experience by using substances instead of doing it the standard way. You can predict exactly how someone in our culture would do this, read a bunch of books on Buddhism, think you understand them, then get bored and take some stuff, thinking you are having realization until either you get bored or freaked out - sounds like bad news overall.
Whenever I think about people who claim mystical experiences on substances I think of some of my old friends who were constantly frying and basically made themselves half-crazy, there was no clarity, no compassion for beings, no nothing but a bunch of pseudo-spiritual gobbledygook, and eventual pervasive paranoia. These guys were as far as you can get from any kind of "enlightenment", and went around worrying about pyschic attacks and what not eventually. They went from experiences like Alex Greys, to eventually a kind of claustrophobia where on some level the world was kind of psychically "out to get them". Now I know Ayuhasca differs greatly from something like LSD..but seriously, all you have to do is look at 99.999999% of drug users to see whether the practice lends itself to Buddhism or not. The resoundingly clear answer is that it very probably does not.
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"Just as a lotus does not grow out of a well-levelled soil but from the mire, in the same way the awakening mind
is not born in the hearts of disciples in whom the moisture of attachment has dried up. It grows instead in the hearts of ordinary sentient beings who possess in full the fetters of bondage." -Se Chilbu Choki Gyaltsen