murphythecat wrote:Greckavarnos: seriously, you have been really hard to read all this thread. All you said was mere opinions, view point, judgments, generalization, assumptions based on your ego centered experience.
Whereas what you are about to say is objective truth. None of the below is based on your personal experience.
Without psychadelic experiences, I would have not start my buddhist practise.
And there are millions of Buddhists out there that have never taken psychedelic substances. MILLIONS!
Psychadelic, tryptamine more specifically, are mind expending psychadelic. They do not induce illusion, contrary, they show you a part of the reality, a part of your mind. You see all the multidimensional realities, devas, ghost, gods, that the Buddha was talking about. You see those entities, worlds. Sure they are experiences and impermanent, but they have been, for me, life saving. and showed me the path, the light in me.
Every single moment of the day we have experiences that can be used to "show the light" in you, we ignore them out of habit. Wouldn't it be better to use everyday (every minute) common experiences in order to "show the light" instead of depending on "extraordinary" experiences? Makes more sense to me since it is the every day grind that really needs liberation.
Do you know how many heroin addict cure them selve with ONE Iboga trip.
No, do you? I personally have no problem with pharmaceutical/medicinal applications of any types of substances.
Psychadelics can be life saving. Who are you to judge all those substance, when it has been proven how helpful it has been to so many users.
Acontium also has pharmaceutical applications but I wouldn't recommend its recreational use.
I know that you not had a ego death with a psychadelic. I am a buddhist, I am not a drug addict, but DMT and Shrooms definitely showed me part of my ego, of my mind, that I needed to see in order to become a buddhist. My experience is lived by all the users I know. Most of the forum like dmtnexus, shroomery, they all have buddha avatars and what not.
And how does their experience inform the Four Noble Truths (for example)?
Seriously, your condescendant attitude is really weird for a practisionner. Sure, any experience is bad and impermanent and cause suffering.
I did not say anything about experiences being bad, these are your words.
But I doubt that you are a buddha, I doubt that every action you do in life is toward enlightment. You are not a buddha, dont repeat what the buddha says, over and over, without taking into accounts how many different paths there is to engliment.
Taking drugs does not lead to enlightenment, if it did then all of your friends over dmtnexus, etc... would be enlightened.
Psychadelic user are for the most part, lovely persons that have realize how much beauty there is in this world, how important love is, ect. PPsychadelic showed me love, respect for others, ect. I do not know any user of dmt or shrooms or ayu that are violent persons.
I do know of people on dmt and shrooms bein violent. So whose experience is more valid?
Even though I do not enlighten in this life, I will have learned morality, love, respect, not killing, ect all because of psychadelics.
No, not because of psychedelics, because of your mind.
Psychadelics, just like the poster before me, showed me my path in life. to be compassionate, to help other, all loving kindness. I hold those substance with utter respect, so is everyone who takes them that I know of.
Lot's of people I know of do not have this attitude. So whose experience is more valid?
With the eye of wisdom we discover a lot of anger in us, any amount of jealousy, resentment, ignorance, desire - mountains of emotion whose existence we would never have suspected in ourselves... We recognize that most of the faults we perceive in others are only the mirror of our own negativity, the reflection of our own disturbed feelings... At the same time, we relieve the world around us of the burden of our own negative judgements."
Gendun Rinpoche Heart Advice from a Mahamudra Master