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the great rebirth debate

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Re: Some thoughts about rebirth

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Some thoughts about rebirth

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Some thoughts about rebirth

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Rebirth

Postby Ludwig » Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:46 am

Hello everyone,

Not sure if I should have put this under the "the great rebirth debate" thread, anyway. First let me locate my position: Due to not having any direct memory or personal experience/evidence of a past life ( I do have memory and other evidence of how dependent arising formed "me" in my childhood, youth etc), and following Gotama's directive not to believe others' views without testing them I am strongly inclined to the "one life-time" view of rebirth rather than the major alternative which involves, as far as I can make out, "something" or maybe "non-something" transmigrating from one physical body to a new one upon the disintergration of the earlier physical body. (let me make myself absolutly clear nere: I do not pretend to refute this view, I simply cannot "hook on to it" in any way currently due primarity to the above noted reasons).

To my question: I'm wondering how other's on this (very excellent) forum who adhere to the "one life-time" version of rebirth account for Gotama's clear statement that rebirth involves the disintegration of the physical body (there is a sutta that clearly states this). I am particularly interested in the views of supporters of Buddhadasa, who's view I tend to agree with (although I have not read all of what he has written). As someone who is trying to clarify the "one life-time" view of rebirth this sutta presents a difficulty. While difficult, this sutta is by no means fatal for me, as noted above I hold as a prime directive of Gotama that one should not believe anyone, including Gotama, I'm sure he would agree.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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Re: Rebirth

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And also this wonderful essay from Venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... ay_06.html

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Re: Rebirth

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Re: Rebirth

Postby santa100 » Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:09 pm

And obviously the Sabbasava Sutta confirmed the Buddha's teaching of rebirth as He did in many other Suttas:

"...This is called a thicket of views, a wilderness of views, a contortion of views, a writhing of views, a fetter of views. Bound by a fetter of views, the uninstructed run-of-the-mill person , aging, & death, from sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair."

(ref: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html )

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Re: Rebirth

Postby contemplans » Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:40 pm

Thanissaro says quite plainly that rebirth has no empirical proof. He says the belief is based on pragmatic proof. The whole Buddhist view of the four noble truths is based on rebirth in the conventional sense.

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Re: Rebirth

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Re: Rebirth

Postby Alex123 » Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:49 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Rebirth

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Please stop following me

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