Returning vows

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Returning vows

Postby Gyaltsen Tashi » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:03 am

Dear all,

I made some vows I couldn't hold, and were inappropriate for me. Would rather not go into details. How does one go about returning vows?

Thanks.

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Re: Returning vows

Postby elfin » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:53 am

Hi Gyaltsen,

What kind of vows are you talking about?

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Re: Returning vows

Postby plwk » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:18 am

Call the Lama...
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Re: Returning vows

Postby heart » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:39 pm

Gyaltsen Tashi wrote:Dear all,

I made some vows I couldn't hold, and were inappropriate for me. Would rather not go into details. How does one go about returning vows?

Thanks.

Gyaltsen Tashi


Maybe this can be helpful http://www.dharmaling.org/en/teachings/ ... ommitments

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Re: Returning vows

Postby narraboth » Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:07 pm

Better that you can explain what happen on you so that we can give you better advice; but it's up to you.

pratimoksha vows are said possible to be given up. The case happen in monks or nuns, not sure how lay people do it but should be possible.

If it's bodhisattva vows, there is no way to give it up, unless you give up bodhicitta, which is not something you should even consider. However, as long as you keep your bodhicitta and the willing to benefit others, it's more flexible in sense of keep the vows.

For samaya, there is also no method to give up, but if you have any practical problem, you can ask your lama and try to get permission from him, so it's also flexible.
Pratimoksha vows are the base of vajrayana vows and after empowerment they were turned into 'part of' vajrayana vows, so if you have received empowerment, you shouldn't just give up several vows just by yourself, better to consult your lama and see what you can do.

There must be a way to make things easier, just don't give up three jewels and bodhicitta, try to keep in the path still.
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Re: Returning vows

Postby Ngawang Drolma » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:28 am

plwk wrote:Call the Lama...

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Re: Returning vows

Postby Gyaltsen Tashi » Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:32 am

My resident Rinpoche just say to regret it and do repentance.
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Re: Returning vows

Postby narraboth » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:58 am

Gyaltsen Tashi wrote:My resident Rinpoche just say to regret it and do repentance.


I think he means confession purification?
you mean regret your behaviour or regret that you received vows that you can't keep??
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Re: Returning vows

Postby Gyaltsen Tashi » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:36 am

There's a misunderstanding. Nobody gave me the vows. I vowed myself, and there are bad vows. I didn't specify to my Rinpoche what vows actually, I just said bad vows.

OK, one of them is that I vowed to follow a politician I don't like life after life to make sure he can never cause harm. I think it is a vengeful vow and something I should regret.

Also a psychic told me I took vows of poverty before. This one has certainly got to go.

There is one more vow but that one I wouldn't go into details.

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Re: Returning vows

Postby Dhondrub » Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:09 pm

Dear GT,
in this case, as you didnt take the vows in front of a predecessor you can just give them back in the same setting as before. I still would prefer to talk to your Lama about it as it is also a good way of making a fool of yourself, which can be quite humbling. Its good to open up to your Guru and not try to make yourself look more representable then you are.
Anyway- when giving back the vows I would also say some Vajrasattva Mantras and maybe make some positive aspirations like " May I lead that politician to Buddhahood once I got there" or "May he always have Bodhicitta and never hurt beings again."

Hope that helps

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Re: Returning vows

Postby narraboth » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:56 pm

oh, you mean common worldly vows.

Well, the term vow in English is used as both religious and non-religious. However in Chinese or Tibetan, buddhist vows are 'disciplines' rather than vows. Only samaya also called vows but they are very different from normal vows.

If you break a vow you made in front of three jewels, it might bring you bad karma; however it's still far less serious than break the rules claimed by Buddha himself if you have received those rules as 'vows'.
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