Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

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Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

Postby rachmiel » Tue May 07, 2013 1:36 am

Greetings. :-)

A while back I purchased Jay Garfield's translation of and commentary on Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā (The Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way). After keeping it tucked away on the virtual (Kindle) shelf for a few months, I'm getting ready to dive in.

Two questions:

1. Do any of you who've worked through the Mūlamadhyamakakārikā have tips/advice for me as I embark on this philosophical journey?

2. Is there a Mūlamadhyamakakārikā reading group in this forum? If not, would anyone like to work through the book with me?

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Re: Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

Postby Wayfarer » Tue May 07, 2013 1:58 am

I have that book, and also the much older K Venkata Ramanan Philosophy of Nagarjuna and T R V Murti Central Philosophy of Buddhism. I am interested in the topic.
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Re: Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

Postby rachmiel » Tue May 07, 2013 2:03 am

Might you be interested in reading/working through the book, chapter by chapter: original (translated) text + commentaries (by book author) + discussion?

We could give it a shot, do a chapter, see how it goes, and decide at that point if we want to forge ahead or take a break.

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Re: Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

Postby Indrajala » Tue May 07, 2013 3:07 am

You might want to read this first:

Nāgārjuna in Context: Mahāyāna Buddhism and Early Indian Culture

http://books.google.com/books/about/N%C ... edir_esc=y
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Re: Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

Postby Wayfarer » Tue May 07, 2013 3:45 am

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Re: Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

Postby rachmiel » Tue May 07, 2013 4:51 am

Cool.

How about we create a set of threads in this forum -- one for each chapter and one for general postings that don't apply to any specific chapter -- so we can discuss and perhaps be joined by others along the way?
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Re: Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

Postby Indrajala » Tue May 07, 2013 4:52 am

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Re: Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

Postby Wayfarer » Tue May 07, 2013 6:02 am

T R V Murti's book (The Central Philosophy of Buddhism) does go into that point in quite some detail, also. I am aware that Murti's book has been criticized by subsequent scholars on the grounds that it is rather too idealist (in a technical/philosophical sense) but he does go to great lengths to show how the Madhyamika grew out of a critique of other Buddhist, as well as Hindu, schools of thought.

Regardless, the Walser book is available for loan from my University library, and I shall borrow it.
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Re: Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

Postby Tsongkhapafan » Tue May 07, 2013 9:03 am

It's up to you, but I'd recommend studying Chandrakirti's Guide to the Middle Way, a commentary to Nagarjuna's work which is (for me) a lot clearer and more wide ranging. There are many excellent commentaries.

What's even better would be to attend a Buddhist Centre and receive an oral transmission of teachings on emptiness as this will make it much easier to understand. It can be hard trying to work through a philosophical text without any support and without oral teachings - it can be very hard going and intellectual, and the practical application is not so obvious. These original Indian texts by Nagarjuna, Aryadeva and Chandrakirti are written in a very terse style and require a considerable amount of commentary by a skilled Teacher who has also meditated and gained insight into the true meaning. Basically, please don't put yourself off emptiness as it is the most important and meaningful subject in the universe - choose a skilful approach to learning with good support.

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Re: Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

Postby Astus » Tue May 07, 2013 9:24 am

Getting started with the text is probably the most difficult part, but if you can understand the way it gives its reasons in the first two chapters then I think you will have little problem with the rest. I recommend you just start reading and if you have questions start a topic for it in the Mahayana or Academic section.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

Postby rachmiel » Tue May 07, 2013 1:06 pm

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Re: Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

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Postby rachmiel » Tue May 07, 2013 1:16 pm

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Re: Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

Postby dude » Tue May 07, 2013 10:01 pm

I'd concur with Astus, just read it.
I'd also say read it once, just the verses, meditate on it a few days, then read it again.
And don't worry about you whether you understand it or not. I have realized I hadn't understood a passage until that moment when I thought I had, and later realized later I still hadn't understood it until seeing into it even more.

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Re: Nagarjuna's Mūlamadhyamakakārikā

Postby rachmiel » Tue May 07, 2013 10:14 pm

Thanks dude. :-)
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