CrawfordHollow wrote: but just to set the record straight dzogchen does not deny causality in the least.
Notice that I wrote about discarding, not denying.
CrawfordHollow wrote:The quote presented was from the point of view of rigpa, the base, the true nature of mind
That would be the point of discarding causality, and since it is from the point of true nature of mind, it is true. Right?
gregkavarnos wrote:How many of the materialists have shown that there view is supported and what is the evidence?
I don't know, how can I know what is the evidence supporting a views that you didn't bother to provide?
gregkavarnos wrote:Tell you what: you can trust (believe) what Batchlor (and his buddies) says and I will trust (believe) what the Buddha and other realised beings said and when Yama comes to visit we will compare notes. Deal?
Why should I trust Batchlor? Did I said anywhere that I believe in what he is saying?
All this was aimed to show the illusion like nature of the sphere we are in. If we all believe in something, and no one is able to prove superiority of his belief, we shouldn't focus on criticising views of others. I know that there may be a desire to save people from wrong interpretations, but if we cannot prove our view, how can we disprove beliefs of others?
gregkavarnos wrote:You see, this is what happens when you cherry pick a complete system. Rebirth can also occur from the other four realms (hell, preta, deva, asura) and beings reborn on the planet earth do not necessarily have to come from the planet earth (though, due to karmic connections, it is more likely).
Check out my question again. I asked, what caused this change. From the rebirth point of view, the biggest change since the beginning of our planet took place, and... we don't know crap about it. But... it can be explained by improving standards of life, and natural growth, quite easily. Questioned, you can always say that we have 7 bln people because pretas rushed to earth.