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Kill the Dictator

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pilgrim
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Kill the Dictator

Postby pilgrim » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:16 am

Dhammapada verse 103 ~ "Greater in battle than the man who would conquer a thousand-thousand men, is he who would conquer just one — himself."

The quest for Nibbana is a battle.
The Four Noble Truths is the Declaration of War
There are 10 enemies to be vanquished - the 10 Fetters of which Avijja is the Dictator
Avoiding evil and doing good is equipping your army with the best kamma
The 5 Precepts is the discipline to keep your warriors in line
The Brahmaviharas and other meditative exercises are the training camps
The Paticca Samuppada is the map of the Battle-field mapped by the Buddha
The Eight Fold Path is the strategy for victory
Nirodha is the Surrender of the armies of Mara
and when Nibbana is won teh empire of Samsara is finally dismantled

Would you agree to this analogy?

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Re: Kill the Dictator

Postby Dan74 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:39 am

As analogies go, I guess it can be useful especially for those of us who are inclined to a martial attitude.

On the other hand, there is a strong element of dualism - who exatly is waging the war?

To me, it is a Quixotic quest - the enemy is a mirage and the warrior's passion serves to keep it seemingly real.
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Re: Kill the Dictator

Postby Buckwheat » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:58 am

I find the analogy very intersting, but I don't like your final question: "Would I agree with the analogy?" Analogies are not facts or even belief or opinions. They are tools used to illuminate a difficult concept. So, I would agree your analogy is illuminating and interesting. I have heard the war analogy before, but never developed so thoroughly. Thanks for that interesting perspective. :thumbsup:
Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: Kill the Dictator

Postby David2 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:06 am

Hatred never ends through hatred. -- Dhp 5

So how can war end through war? It is not possible.

So I don't agree with the analogy.

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Re: Kill the Dictator

Postby Otsom » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:32 am

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Re: Kill the Dictator

Postby Modus.Ponens » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:09 pm

I like the analogy. And I remember the Buddha using a violent analogy to make a point (the one about killing the untrainable horse meaning killing the untrainable monk in the dhamma and vinaya, ie, excomunicating him; correct me if I'm wrong).
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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