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Vipassanā: What Is Dissolution, Really?

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Re: Vipassanā: What Is Dissolution, Really?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:15 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Postby retrofuturist » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:42 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Vipassanā: What Is Dissolution, Really?

Postby bodom » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:08 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Postby retrofuturist » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:17 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby Alex123 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:54 am

Hello all,

I have been reading this thread with interest and considered many things back and forth. In my experience there IS momentariness, and it is actually taught in the suttas (dhammas are said to arise, persist and fall). Example: Look to the left, look to the right. You have just witnessed momentariness of seeing. It is empirically given to experience.

The only thing is that it should not be abstracted into zero-length or "trillions cittas per second" which are not empirical truth, unless it is actually experienced. As you are reading, the consciousness state changes with every letter, word, sentence. Consciousness is always consciousness of something, and it changes with its object - in this case letters, words, sentences. We do not live in some frozen state where nothing changes. If nothing would change, then you would never finish this sentence after starting to read it. IMHO,

"Known to him they arose, known to him they remained, known to him they subsided. He discerned, 'So this is how these qualities, not having been, come into play. Having been, they vanish.' " - http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

Maybe the number 10^21 of cittas per second should be taken metaphorically just like number "500" is metaphoric meaning "a lot". Indians were not precise with numbers like us, and unintended literalism for people removed from that time and culture can lead to hair splitting discussions such as these.

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Postby Ben » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:08 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Postby Alex123 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:10 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Postby retrofuturist » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:40 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Vipassanā: What Is Dissolution, Really?

Postby bodom » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:09 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Ignorance is an intentional act.

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Ignorance is an intentional act.

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Ignorance is an intentional act.

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Ignorance is an intentional act.


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