Order of Buddhist Contemplatives

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Postby pueraeternus » Sat May 04, 2013 1:39 pm

Sara mentioned before that though not an ordained monastic, she is an experienced layperson in the OBC. Being that karma is a basic teaching in any Buddhist school, the official teaching on this must have been delivered many times, so it's kinda odd that she said she don't know what the "official policy on that" is.

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Postby Shii » Sun May 05, 2013 6:32 am

Wow. Some of the comments on this board are just plain rude and small/narrow minded. Really, is it really truly impossible that anyone has ever had past lives and visions come up while training deeply? I think not. It does not really matter who has had these things happen (and it matters less about that person's credentials)? They are able to happen to us all. The reason there is so much hullabaloo over this (and many other topics) is because some people, who know who they are, are too much in there heads. They will never get it when they are so much in there heads and being so scholarly about it. That's just not how it works and if they want to find something truly profound and meaningful I suggest they go sit down and do some actual training and attempt, for once in there lives, not to over think it (which will be the hardest thing they have ever done).
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Postby Grigoris » Sun May 05, 2013 5:05 pm

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Re: Order of Buddhist Contemplatives

Postby DGA » Sun May 05, 2013 7:19 pm

I had a moment today and did a bit of research online. I wanted to find out (since it hasn't come up in this thread) what contemporary Zen teachers outside the OBC and not named Kyogen Carlson actually think of the OBC today. It seems to me that if a Soto Zen teacher is willing to send his or her students to practice at North Cascades or Shasta Abbey, then that tells us something about how this school is regarded.

As it happens, I found out that two of the internet's most prominent Soto Zen teachers are divided on this issue--strongly. Here is one post in one thread on this topic:

http://www.zenforuminternational.org/vi ... 160#p99995

It seems that J. Cohen and N. Chowaney disagree directly, with Cohen citing discussions from the now-familiar-to-all OBC Connect site as evidence in his negative assessment of the OBC. By contrast, Nonin endorses the OBC (here and in another thread in the same forum), claiming to send his own students there to train.

What does this add up to? I don't claim to know.

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