I did edit it now prior to your last post, so hopefully it is slightly more readable and thusly my point is more clear.
But as to the real world, pain, and all the rest...how better to my view for self, if such reality is in a sense cooporatedly created, or self fullfilling, to reinforce existance of self by createing such possibilities of circumstance which absolutely affirm the singlular nature of ours by perception. Pain would be the most obvious example of a unreal thing, that affirms quite abruptly our singular identity.
Since this all is a cooperation of sorts to participate in and not really real(this realm and perceptions we find in or of it)....yes pain is not pain at all. In a conventional sense we are of course partipating in this reality our mere presence indicates such. But the extent or degree of our buying into this reality determines to a large extent our pain and suffering encountered or self created, in this reality.
How bad or good what we encounter speaks to this view of the existance of self. The more concrete our view of its existance seemingly the more painful or suffering is our existance. It is not that pain opposes self but that it emphatically reinforces existance of self.
Under study of course or final consideration pain is but another sensation. It becomes pain with self only. Not to deny conventional reality but to state it is all nonsense. That we participate does not seem to infer its ultimate reality but to infer we participate only. How much nonsense we put up with is basically the degree with which we are willing to affirm self. That the whole thing is nonsense is quite clear.
To my personal opinion. I don't contend that is a Buddhist view,perhaps perhaps not, I don't know.
Also I am not contending that self is acting as a inner agent, inside policeperson or real object of some sort, directing these things, The habitual tendency and retentative aspect of misconstrued awareness fit into or are created into being by circumstance. The tendency to misapprehend is present. The circumstance as such, fits exactly the consciousness which precipitates the reality it presents in. We essentially find what we believe in core belief, and work to make concrete this fundamental belief by the various realms and experiences in the realms.... the self. When this self is percipitated by circumstance to exist. It exists in the fashion of reaffirming its existance.
Pain is but one there are myriad. I am not deny conventional reality. It exists as assuredly as self exists....but to no extent furthur than that.
We cannot allow that stateement to be made as it directly opposes what we find here in our perceptive ordinary conventionally perceived reality. But the reality is tied to self and largly how we view it is all self.
In a nutshell we would not rebirth. The circumstance of our rebirth would rebirth
. Habitual tendency retentive aspect of consciousness misconstrued due to our false notion of self like dislike aversion attraction and all the rest lead us to think.....we rebirth. Such a notion reaffirms self, which is what this is all about by my take...reaffirming self.
So that is my claim and what I really truly believe or claim I find to be true.....
I don't know if it is Buddhist as I am uneducated as to what comprises core Buddhist thought. There seems to be some variance. Perhaps it fits within the variance, but seems to conflict with about all the posts on this thread to a degree.
I think what I propose here is absolutely positively realistic and is in fact how this happens....to answer the initial poster. But it seems not to agree with the notion of rebirth as described here. But I am no great evaluator of the written word so maybe they will or could state it is the same. I suspect not but can't state unequivocally. YOu ask most Buddhists they will state rebirth is realistic. They do not state..only the circumstance of rebirth rebirths.
"This order considers that progress can be achieved more rapidly during a single month of self-transformation through terrifying conditions in rough terrain and in "the abode of harmful forces" than through meditating for a period of three years in towns and monasteries"....Takpo Tashi Namgyal.