first the alaya consciousness is retribution and holder of all seeds...
it always evolves like a flowing stream and is abandoned in the state of arhat.
next, the second transforming consciousness, this consciousness is called manas (thought)...
in the Arhat, the samadhi of cessation and the supramundane path it does not exist.
isn't the entire point of buddha nature that it is continuous due to the inseparability of emptiness and form, as well as emptiness and compassion?
White Lotus wrote:isn't the entire point of buddha nature that it is continuous due to the inseparability of emptiness and form, as well as emptiness and compassion?
this 'continuity' is ambiguous. after the state of the great icchantica is attained, it is no longer possible to look within, and so there is a cessation, this cessation however is purely personal... look around you. you see a body, bricks sky etc. this also can be buddha nature and so discontinuity within continuity.
when personal mind and self are extinguished still impersonal universal mind continues. this, me, that, it. continues. so if buddha nature universally ceases all things cease. however it does not, only within does it cease after seeing the great pearl within yourself. your whole chest is filled with the great pearl and then... whoosh... can no longer look within and can no longer see emptiness, but can see at a later state all is no self.
best wishes, Tom.
White Lotus wrote:thank you for your feedback, have done a little research:
the 8 consciousnesses.
8 subtle mind/store house consciousness/alaya vijnana. alows samadhis and stores karmic retribution which includes blessings when seeds of karma ripen.
7 manas =thought and conceptualisation.
6 manovijnana. perception likes and dislikes of the 5 senses.
White Lotus wrote:for an amazing understanding of conciousness there is always the Ch'eng Wei Shih Lun, by Hsuan Tsang. it is volume 31 of the BDK English Tripitaka.
White Lotus wrote:in my own simple understanding Alaya is Mind that supports all the other six consciousnesses. i leave it simple and say that manas is thought, which involves discrimination and judgement. perception is the function of the 6th Mano and the remaining sensory consciousnesses. the sixth perceives outer phenomena or objects and inner phenomena such as likes and dislikes. it is the 7th that forms the notion of a personal self. i know its all complicated because many different people have many different ideas about the specifics. can one hold any position on this matter at all without falling into dispute. interesting that the Therevada have a complex understanding of the Alaya, but not surprising.
White Lotus wrote:if you are ready for it you will understand what i say now:
by mixing mind and breath you will cause the Alayavijnana/subtle Mind to cease.
by holding your breath and focusing between your eyebrows you will cause the Manas to cease.
i would recommed practicing these two procedures a week or two apart so that you can observe their effects. with the cessation of Alaya it is no longer possible to enter samadhi and with the cessation of Manas it is no longer possible to practice single pointed meditation. one instead practices Wu Wei, non action without focus, without thought. it is no longer possible to hold the breath as the focus. one just relaxes in ones natural state.
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