Whereas what you are about to say is objective truth. None of the below is based on your personal experience.murphythecat wrote:Greckavarnos: seriously, you have been really hard to read all this thread. All you said was mere opinions, view point, judgments, generalization, assumptions based on your ego centered experience.
And there are millions of Buddhists out there that have never taken psychedelic substances. MILLIONS!Without psychadelic experiences, I would have not start my buddhist practise.
Every single moment of the day we have experiences that can be used to "show the light" in you, we ignore them out of habit. Wouldn't it be better to use everyday (every minute) common experiences in order to "show the light" instead of depending on "extraordinary" experiences? Makes more sense to me since it is the every day grind that really needs liberation.Psychadelic, tryptamine more specifically, are mind expending psychadelic. They do not induce illusion, contrary, they show you a part of the reality, a part of your mind. You see all the multidimensional realities, devas, ghost, gods, that the Buddha was talking about. You see those entities, worlds. Sure they are experiences and impermanent, but they have been, for me, life saving. and showed me the path, the light in me.
No, do you? I personally have no problem with pharmaceutical/medicinal applications of any types of substances.Do you know how many heroin addict cure them selve with ONE Iboga trip.
Acontium also has pharmaceutical applications but I wouldn't recommend its recreational use.Psychadelics can be life saving. Who are you to judge all those substance, when it has been proven how helpful it has been to so many users.
And how does their experience inform the Four Noble Truths (for example)?I know that you not had a ego death with a psychadelic. I am a buddhist, I am not a drug addict, but DMT and Shrooms definitely showed me part of my ego, of my mind, that I needed to see in order to become a buddhist. My experience is lived by all the users I know. Most of the forum like dmtnexus, shroomery, they all have buddha avatars and what not.
I did not say anything about experiences being bad, these are your words.Seriously, your condescendant attitude is really weird for a practisionner. Sure, any experience is bad and impermanent and cause suffering.
Taking drugs does not lead to enlightenment, if it did then all of your friends over dmtnexus, etc... would be enlightened.But I doubt that you are a buddha, I doubt that every action you do in life is toward enlightment. You are not a buddha, dont repeat what the buddha says, over and over, without taking into accounts how many different paths there is to engliment.
I do know of people on dmt and shrooms bein violent. So whose experience is more valid?Psychadelic user are for the most part, lovely persons that have realize how much beauty there is in this world, how important love is, ect. PPsychadelic showed me love, respect for others, ect. I do not know any user of dmt or shrooms or ayu that are violent persons.
No, not because of psychedelics, because of your mind.Even though I do not enlighten in this life, I will have learned morality, love, respect, not killing, ect all because of psychadelics.
Lot's of people I know of do not have this attitude. So whose experience is more valid?Psychadelics, just like the poster before me, showed me my path in life. to be compassionate, to help other, all loving kindness. I hold those substance with utter respect, so is everyone who takes them that I know of.
Inside/outside, false/true, in the mind/outside the mind... all you are doing is describing a dualistic experience. Buddhism is not about (more) dualistic experiences.Tron010101 wrote:Lets stick to Ayahuasca and Buddhism. Some personal notes for the genuinely intrigued.
1. Ayahuasca points directly at Buddhism. One of the primary reasons why is because in the experience itself the individual is VIOLENTLY ripped out of duality and time as such.....the ego is revealed for what it actually is.....the trickster, a false construct continuously playing games "IN" the mind, a savage beast looking only to satisfy itself. Note to self: it can be very very embarassing experience looking at oneself, from outside of oneself.....the greed, the lust, the unfounded passions........this is the usually agreed upon feeling participants experience with themselves.
I don't think you will find anybody here denying the medicinal applications of some psychedelics.2. Ayahuasca can act as a healing agent. I know this first hand. It has healed some people i have known, it has also physically healed me. Conditions that have been persistent for years....not just a fly by night allergy.
It is not Ayahuasca which is doing this, it is the mind which is providing the insight. Maybe, for some people, Ayahuasca can facilitate this, but why use a crutch when you have two legs to walk on?3. Ayahuasca blow right out of the water the idea that we die and are done. It reveals that we have been here for thousands and thousands of years......and in my experience it has revealed to me that we existed in other forms as vehicles for progression...plant>fish>bird>human.....like an ascending ladder in time. Shown was the facts that the human race is MUCH older than what we are being told and that our history books are plagued with intentional inaccuracies, biased science, and politically charged stories and scripts.....all of which come from the delusioned mind, like a bad virus spreading from one generation to another.
Ummmmm... yeah, whatever...4. The experience revealed the most prominent spiritual and enlightened form given to us humans unequivocally was the Buddha and in our modern time Ramana Maharshi.
Buddhism says that nothing is ultimately true. In Buddhism we do not get into this evil/good trip. Ignorance causes suffering. Suffering can arise from phenomenonally "good" or "evil" actions depending on one's intention.5. In the Ayahuasca experience, evil is revealed to be true and extremely and brutally rampant in the reality, but not how we understand it. Evil comes out of ignorance and ignorance seeks to resolve itself until it is united once again into the whole. In other words darkness is a lack of light seeking to resolve itself just like a cancer patient seek healing and some form of relief from the pain. The worst thing we can do is ignore our fears for if we do, it becomes our master.
This sounds like drug induced gibberish.6. It came to me that our ignorance and delusion of reality is way deeper that we understand...and we are borderline stupid with the IQ of an ANT.... but we ultimately decide until when. Hahaha. The chaos does have its funny moments.
And you can go sell your drugs to somebody else that doesn't know what they are talking about, because I'm not buying.Tron010101 wrote:You have no clue what I’m talking about. Your opinion is blatenty biased. Have you taken Ayahuasca? No you haven’t. I can tell by your language. You have no real clue what Ayahuasca is. Sell your biased agenda to someone else who doesn’t know what they are talking about.
In Buddhism there are two types of reality: ultimate and relative. Which reality are you talking about? Why would it be bad news? This statement of yours is completely contradicted by your response to Oushi:By the way…….bad news…….Reality Exists...
So, pull yourself together and answer me this: does Reality(sic) exist or is reality a construction of mind?and reality is a construct of the mind.
Show me the self and I will show you others! As for "...until the time comes". What time comes? I mean the statement is ominous sounding and I am trembling in my boots, but it doesn't actually mean anything....and you have to live with others until the time comes.
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