CG Jung was indeed a Fascist. Discuss.

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CG Jung was indeed a Fascist. Discuss.

Postby Jikan » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:19 pm

Here is a remarkable claim from a recent blog dedicated to different kinds of contemporary spirituality:

There is no evidence that Carl Gustav Jung was ever one of those tens of millions of fascists in Europe. Nor is there any evidence that he ever expressed support, admiration or "sympathy" for Nazism or fascism. Nor is there is any evidence that Jung ever "collaborated" in any way with fascism or Nazism.


http://egregores.blogspot.com/2011/10/c ... -nazi.html

I bring it up because "depth psychology," "transpersonal psychology" and the rest, so often celebrated in contemporary Western Buddhist writings (even roped in by Ken Jones in The New Social Face of Buddhism), is rooted in the Jungian trip. So Jung's doctrines and the political work they do is relevant. This is why our author, quoted above, is attempting to stake out a Jung that is not, in fact, a fascist. If Jungianism is a cipher for hard-right wingnuttery, then... well... someone's got some 'splainin' to do.

The trouble is that Jung was in fact a fascist, and his thinking is of a piece with fascist thought. Ernst Bloch was among the first to point this out; take a look at the first volume of The Principle of Hope (you don't have to read past page 64). Richard Wolin's book Seduction of Unreason, University of Princeton Press, dedicates a chapter to describing Jung's fascism and the usefulness of his thought to fascism (see chapter two, brilliantly titled "Prometheus Unhinged" and published earlier in the New Republic).

I think it is long past time for those who take transpersonal psychology seriously as an extension of or necessary supplement to Buddhist practice to consider carefully the historical content of this material. Does it, in fact, correspond to the aspirations one holds in Buddhist practice?

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Re: CG Jung was indeed a Fascist. Discuss.

Postby Simon E. » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:25 pm

As I have indicated elsewhere on the forum Jikan, I have no problem in asserting that what Jung was about had nothing at all to say to Buddhadharma.
It is quite clear that he thought that 'eastern thought' was a product of peoples who had not yet evolved to individuation.
And that for Caucasians to attempt to practice any form of meditative discipline originating in the Subcontinent was an indication of regression.


Which is one pointer to the general nature of his political stance, I would venture.
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Re: CG Jung was indeed a Fascist. Discuss.

Postby Konchog1 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:37 pm

Should we burn his books too?
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Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
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Re: CG Jung was indeed a Fascist. Discuss.

Postby Cloudrider » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:16 pm

Hmm,

Never heard that before :?: I always thought he was a neo-gnostic not a neo-nazi...

I'be interested in seeing actual quoted citations which demonstrate this proclivity in thought. I think, put in the proper context, that Carl was completely benign. You sure this isn't a marketing ploy to sell book?
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Re: CG Jung was indeed a Fascist. Discuss.

Postby greentara » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:51 pm

Simon E, "As I have indicated elsewhere on the forum Jikan, I have no problem in asserting that what Jung was about had nothing at all to say to Buddhadharma.
It is quite clear that he thought that 'eastern thought' was a product of peoples who had not yet evolved to individuation.
And that for Caucasians to attempt to practice any form of meditative discipline originating in the Subcontinent was an indication of regression"
I couldn't agree more, Jung was very worried about his scientific reputation and was quite openly apprehensive, even frightened when it came to Eastern religion.
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Re: CG Jung was indeed a Fascist. Discuss.

Postby Nikolay » Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:41 am

I follow the "Who cares?" school of thought on such things. A tendency to accept or discard theories/methods solely due to political views their author may have held during some periods of his life is actually more troubling to me.

Jung, in my opinion, was simply a product of his day and age. His views of Eastern religions shouldn't be taken seriously. In other areas he had some valuable insights.
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Re: CG Jung was indeed a Fascist. Discuss.

Postby Dan74 » Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:51 am

Having read and studied quite a lot of Jung's writings as well as his followers like James Hillman, I don't think he can be dismissed as a fascist, if you care about intellectual honesty. His analytical psychology bears very little resemblance to fascism. What incidental resemblance is there is an unnecessary sign of the times and his personal bias, rather than something central to the system, which is more like a way of exploring really.

There is a great deal to these explorations, IMO, and while the man can of course be criticized for various things, he was not a Nazi and was in fact very critical of the Nazi regime. He also tried to arrange to have old and frail Freud, his one time mentor, smuggled out of Vienna, but Freud refused to be beholden to Jung. Jung had many Jewish students and colleagues and personally helped many Jews during the Nazi era.

On his deathbed he was reading Charles Luk's Chan and Zen Teachings and was profoundly moved by them, apparently.
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