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a world where everything is free

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a world where everything is free

Postby befriend » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:47 am

i had a cool thought a few days ago, what if nothing cost money. hiring a plumber, going to the movies. whatever. it was all free, wouldnt that mean that everything you did like make a sandwich would be an act of charity? imagine how much happier society would be. i dont even mean trading and bardering. our spiritual progress would increase so much. and everyone would have what they need. obviously i doubt this would happen cause people are so deluded. but is it possible that a society could work on no money??? hahah
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Re: a world where everything is free

Postby chownah » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:56 am

For a bhikkhu or bhikkhuni everything that is needed is free.
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Re: a world where everything is free

Postby Dan74 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:01 am

This is one of the Communist ideas though in all likelihood it's a lot older than that.

It was realized for some decades on the small scale in Israeli kibbutzes, the last of which I believe folded quite recently. But they did well for a while.
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Re: a world where everything is free

Postby David2 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:45 am

Money itself is neutral, it is not evil or something.

The problems begin when the money starts to get an object for greed because then people spend it unmorally.

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Re: a world where everything is free

Postby befriend » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:02 pm

i dont know what you mean david. i mean EVERYTHING would be free. people would raise chickens for free, and harvest eggs, then give those to the baker, then the baker would bake the bread for free, then give free bread to the deli clerk to make the sandwich, and give the sandwich away for free. well money is kind of evil. because you can LOSE IT. and people who are afraid of losing it will protect it.
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Re: a world where everything is free

Postby David2 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:21 pm

A world without money does not mean that there is less greed than in a world with money.
The problem does not lie in the money, but in people's minds that are full of defilements.

If you use the money for giving dana, it is not evil, but a good tool, right?

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Re: a world where everything is free

Postby befriend » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:10 pm

no its not. why give money as dana, when everything is free. the object or the work would be the dana. i think if there was no money people would not have so much greed in there minds. because non greed would be present.
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Re: a world where everything is free

Postby befriend » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:15 pm

sam vega what ruined it?
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Re: a world where everything is free

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:06 pm

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My guess is that greed, hatred and delusion ruined it. It seems that utopian dreams simply don't take into account the fact of dukkha. Be well!
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Re: a world where everything is free

Postby kirk5a » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:19 pm

That is why the American founders tried to fashion a system explicitly based upon the firm recognition of the bad aspects of human nature, rather than a utopian and unrealistic denial that even good people will succumb to those instincts if they are unrestrained. Of course what we are witnessing now is that over time, greed is a powerful corrosive force that looks for every avenue to erode those systematic protections. And it has had a lot of success in eroding those restraints.
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Re: a world where everything is free

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:09 pm

To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas.
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Re: a world where everything is free

Postby Jhana4 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:42 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: a world where everything is free

Postby Jhana4 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:46 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: a world where everything is free

Postby befriend » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:24 pm

let me rephrase this. obviously this could never work because of mans delusions and greed. BUT ECONOMICALLy could it work. i mean is it logically plausible to have a system like this? do you know what i mean would the system function putting aside mans delusions, on paper would it work?
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