Who is Cundi?

Who is Cundi?

Postby Luke » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:42 pm

Could someone please tell me who Cundi Bodhisattva is? There seems to be very little information about her, at least in English, online.

All I could find was this little bit of info from wikipedia:
"Cundi (Sanskrit: चुन्दी, literally "Extreme Purity") is a buddha or bodhisattva venerated in the Mahāyāna Buddhist schools, with emphasis of her practice in the Esoteric Buddhist schools. She is known as a bhagavati, or "mother of buddhas", and is often equated with the bodhisattva Avalokiteśvara. She may be related to the Hindu goddess Chandi.[1]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cundi_%28Buddhism%29
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Re: Who is Cundi?

Postby Ayu » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:06 pm

http://cundimantra.weebly.com/index.html

Sounds like Cundi is somehow similar to Mother Tara, who is assumed to be the Mother of all Buddhas in tibetean Buddhism?
Because, if our mothers, who have been kind to us
From beginningless time, are suffering,
What can we do with (just) our own happiness?
From 10th of 37 Bodhisattva Practices
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Re: Who is Cundi?

Postby Huifeng » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:15 am

In China, Cundi (Zhunti) is usually considered a manifestation of Guanyin.
Her mantra is part of the dedication after meals.

May want to check out Master Nan Huai Chin's teachings, as Cundi practice is a core part of that.

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Re: Who is Cundi?

Postby Konchog1 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:38 am

Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

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Re: Who is Cundi?

Postby Luke » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:00 pm

Thank you very much everyone! :anjali:
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Re: Who is Cundi?

Postby plwk » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:23 pm

By the way, this 25th April / 16th Day, 3rd Lunar Month is Maha Cundi Day in the Chinese Mahayana liturgical calendar
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Re: Who is Cundi?

Postby jikai » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:23 pm

Huifeng wrote:In China, Cundi (Zhunti) is usually considered a manifestation of Guanyin.
Her mantra is part of the dedication after meals.

May want to check out Master Nan Huai Chin's teachings, as Cundi practice is a core part of that.

~~ Huifeng

It is much the same in Japan where she is in fact referred to precisely as such: Juntei Kannon Bosatsu.
"There are no seperate dharma's in the Three Realms. There is only the operation of the one mind."
"Whoever wishes to benefit beings ought to establish teachings that fit their capacities, expound the dharma in accordance with their capacities, and match the doctrines to them"
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Re: Who is Cundi?

Postby eijo » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:40 am

Huifeng wrote:In China, Cundi (Zhunti) is usually considered a manifestation of Guanyin.
Her mantra is part of the dedication after meals.

May want to check out Master Nan Huai Chin's teachings, as Cundi practice is a core part of that.

~~ Huifeng


Interestingly, Cundī in Tang esoteric manuals is nowhere called a manifestation of Avalokiteśvara. Cundī is an esoteric female deity of the buddha family, not the lotus family in Tang esoteric Buddhism. In ninth century Japan, Cundī (Jpn. Jundei, or Juntei) was first called a form of Avalokiteśvara by the Shingon monk Shōbō (832–909, 聖寶, aka Rigen Daishi 理源大師, only mentioned in passing here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daigo-ji). Shingon practice follows two primary lineages, with the lineage of Shōbō specifically claiming Cundī as a member of the lotus family, while the other placing her in the buddha family. Tibetan practice places her in the buddha family as well. Thus, in Japan, the teaching of six manifestations of Avalokiteśvara (for the six gati) arising from esoteric Buddhism follows two forms: one with Cundī and one using Amoghapāśa instead.

I'm wondering if you can explain where the interpretation of Cundī as a manifestation of Guanyin comes from in China, and how far back it goes?

BTW, Master Nan Huai Chin's practice seems to be possibly Tibetan in origin, or at least not in the Tang esoteric tradition, FWIW.

Added:
See here for a little bit regarding Shōbō: http://www.daigoji.or.jp/history/history_engi_e.html
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Re: Who is Cundi?

Postby Aemilius » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:59 am

There are many forms of Cundi or Cunda in Benoytosh Bhattacharyya's Indian Buddhist Iconography. She is described in many sanskrit sadhanas, and is most certainly of indian origin.
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Re: Who is Cundi?

Postby eijo » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:38 pm

Aemilius wrote:There are many forms of Cundi or Cunda in Benoytosh Bhattacharyya's Indian Buddhist Iconography. She is described in many sanskrit sadhanas, and is most certainly of indian origin.


Right, definitely of Indian origin, a deity appearing relatively early in esoteric texts, the form with eighteen arms is the most common. She is not described in any Sanskrit texts or Chinese translations to my knowledge as a manifestation of Avalokitesvara, which is an East Asian idea as noted above.
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Re: Who is Cundi?

Postby Aemilius » Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:49 am

She should appear in the Karanda Vyuha Sutra, I have only read its partial translation with the title Buddha Speaks Mahayana Sublime Treasure King Sutra. As I remember it, she doesn't appear in this version of the Sutra.
She has also her own sutra, Mahacundi Dharani Sutra, which You probably know.
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