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Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Hear, hear!

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
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Postby Dan74 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:52 am

As an observer I think this debate does tease out some important issues and possible misunderstandings. I hope people can continue respectfully because I for one am very grateful for the knowledge participants bring to this exchange.

For example if Ñāṇa could put forward a coherent argument why the Burmese school is mistaken in his view and others could provide some counter-argument I suspect at the very least that would help many of us avoid some pitfalls in practice. (although this should really go into another thread - my fault for bringing Ven Nanananda into this probably)

The passage quoted on the preceding page was addressed by Tilt with a sutta quote about dissolving sankharas and Ñāṇa dismissed it. I am not clear about the reason for this dismissal.

I hope a good quality cogent debate can be had here that many member can benefit from.
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Do these specific sankharas pertain to reification which leads to a delusion of self in particular? Then when the impulse to reify, to divide experience into subject and object is gone, is that not the end of formations/fabrications that Burmese masters talk about?

Sorry I may be missing the point here (hence question marks in the above).
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