Sara H wrote:How do you know that practice doesn't legitimately work for some people?
Their arguments were unconvincing. If it works for them, cool, but I'm under no obligation to accept their claims and ideas. The same goes for what you're proposing.
No you're not under any obligation to accept their claims and ideas. I don't believe I've ever heard a Zen master say that you or anyone else was so obligated.
Nor have I ever heard a Zen master state, or have seen it to be any sortof common universal Zen policy to state that Zen is the one and only practice that should work for everyone, or that everyone else must do as the only legitimate, or effective way to practice spirituality or Buddhism.
And, I would politely point out, that to continue with this analogy, you havn't been just taking the neutral stance of saying that their path doesn't work for you. (implying that you're "cool" with it)
You've been actively saying that they (or in the actual case of Zen, as this analogy goes) should
change the way they do things also.
Even though "the way they do things" may work perfectly well for them.
You're advocating that a system that people have reported to be effective for most people who do it should be discarded because one person (in the case of yourself) or a select few don't like it or find that it's helpful for them. Even though there are a plethora of alternatives available if one doesn't want to practice Zen.
I also am not clear on your argument.
could you please clarify the questions below:
One) Do you acknowledge that this practice does legitimately work for some people, or recognize that they have stated so from their own experience?
Two) are you saying you view the idea of institutional authority to be wrong, and so Institutional authority in Buddhism (and Zen) also to be wrong (by extension)?
Three) or are you saying that in your opinion it's just institutional authority when it comes to teaching the development of intuitive knowledge?
Four) Are you saying that you believe the development of intuitive knowledge cannot be taught? Or cannot be taught in an institutional way?
(and so reject any form of that)
Five) And/or there is not someone who can be an authority on that to help teach the development of it?
"Life is full of suffering. AND Life is full of the Eternal
IT IS OUR CHOICE
We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
We can turn around.
It is OUR choice." -Rev. Basil
" ...out of fear, even the good harm one another. " -Rev. Dazui MacPhillamy