YOU CANNOT POST. OUR WEB HOSTING COMPANY DECIDED TO MOVE THE SERVER TO ANOTHER LOCATION. IN THE MEANTIME, YOU CAN VIEW THIS VERSION WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW POSTING AND WILL NOT SAVE ANYTHING YOU DO ONCE THE OTHER SERVER GOES ONLINE.

Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo - Page 8 - Dhamma Wheel

Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
User avatar
tiltbillings
Posts: 23012
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:36 pm


User avatar
beeblebrox
Posts: 939
Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:41 pm

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby beeblebrox » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:43 pm


User avatar
Dmytro
Posts: 1448
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:24 pm
Location: Kyiv, Ukraine
Contact:

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby Dmytro » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:32 pm



User avatar
Dmytro
Posts: 1448
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:24 pm
Location: Kyiv, Ukraine
Contact:

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby Dmytro » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:52 pm



User avatar
tiltbillings
Posts: 23012
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:46 pm


Nyana
Posts: 2233
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:56 am

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby Nyana » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:30 pm


User avatar
tiltbillings
Posts: 23012
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:33 pm


Nyana
Posts: 2233
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:56 am

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby Nyana » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:34 pm


User avatar
Alex123
Posts: 3476
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:32 pm

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby Alex123 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:14 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

User avatar
tiltbillings
Posts: 23012
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:29 pm


Nyana
Posts: 2233
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:56 am

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby Nyana » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:44 pm


User avatar
Alex123
Posts: 3476
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:32 pm

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby Alex123 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:45 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

Nyana
Posts: 2233
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:56 am

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby Nyana » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:16 pm


User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
Posts: 17855
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:32 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

User avatar
Dan74
Posts: 3012
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:12 pm

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby Dan74 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:39 pm

Dmytro (and others),

When in the context of samadhi, one remembers to abandon the unskillful and unskillful is abandoned, then what?

I am sitting and I have let gone all thoughts and impulses relating to craving and aversion, now what?

What of instructions to Bahiya, are they relevant to meditation practice, to samadhi, to insight?

What I am getting at is that insight happens by attending to what is, not just by recollecting the teachings. If one does not attend to what is and see conceit of self arise as it relates to an arising of a phenomenon in the present moment, then how can the "house-builder be seen"?

The map is important and following it correctly is important but if one doesn't carefully look and see where one is, the map is of little use.

Sorry if all this is obvious.
_/|\_

User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
Posts: 17855
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:49 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

User avatar
Dan74
Posts: 3012
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:12 pm

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby Dan74 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:53 pm

Last edited by Dan74 on Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
_/|\_

User avatar
Alex123
Posts: 3476
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:32 pm

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby Alex123 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:00 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

User avatar
daverupa
Posts: 5980
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:58 pm

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby daverupa » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:06 pm


User avatar
Dan74
Posts: 3012
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:12 pm

Re: Objection to the Views of Venerable Analayo

Postby Dan74 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:08 pm

I asked whether insight can happen without it, and you say it is not enough. The question, Alex, was not whether it is enough, but rather whether it can happen without it.

Obviously right awareness, samasati is necessary. We cling to aspects of the present, invest them with a sense of self, etc hence it is not right mindfulness and does not lead to insight, as far as I can tell.
_/|\_


Return to “Connections to Other Paths”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Yahoo [Bot] and 28 guests

Google Saffron, Theravada Search Engine