Tara Mandala Chogyal Namkhai Norbu & Lama Tsultrim Allione

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Tara Mandala Chogyal Namkhai Norbu & Lama Tsultrim Allione

Postby T. Chokyi » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:14 pm

Upcoming retreat at Tara Mandala with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche
and Lama Tsultrim Allione, also links to about 4 hours of (free) online teachings from
Lama Tsultrim Allione (below). If you have not heard her teach please consider giving
these a listen.

Dzogchen Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu (information):


First Link to a teaching by Lama Tsultrim Allione on Machig Lineage (Chod):


Teaching on Riwo Sangcho (fire puja) which also includes the text::


Link for the Riwo Sangcho Text:

Related link on Dharmawheel concerning the Stupa at Tara Mandala:
Nyala Pema Dudul's Stupa


Link for pictures of Stupa and list of the relics installed in the stupa:


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Postby Sherab Rigdrol » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:02 am

She is a lucky lady! I had no idea she was so close to Ram Dass and Bhagavan Das. Found that out after I read her awesome biography on her website.

I really wanted to go to this retreat because it's the closest ChNN would be coming to me. No way I could do it for financial reasons. Then a few weeks later I find out ChNN is giving a free talk in New Mexico (where I live). So blessed!!

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Postby DGA » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:22 pm

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Postby Grigoris » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:13 pm

$200-300 to pitch a tent for two days!!! :shock:
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Postby treehuggingoctopus » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:23 pm

Yup, Tara Mandala is not a place for the 99%
. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .

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Postby jbaumannmontilla » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:33 pm

Actually that's really not fair. First, you get three meals a day there with camping and everything else you might need. They also have scholarships, work exchange, and sliding scale fees for pretty much everything. When I was there they seemed very willing to work with people to make things possible. I think it's really a matter of contacting them, explaining situation, and working things out. They also have bills to pay to keep the place running and build a truly breathtaking temple complex. At the end of the day, if we want these places to exist we have to be willing to support them, whatever form that might take.

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Postby pemachophel » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:48 pm

Yes, TM is pricey. However, IMO, it's one of the most beautiful Buddhist temple complexes/retreat centers in North America and I'm sure it costs plenty to keep it running. Maybe too expensive and too remote for more than one visit per year, but, for that special Teaching, Teacher, or practice/drubchen, I don't think you'll be sorry you went. And, as has been stated, there are scholarships and other ways to mitigate the "asking" price. It truly is a very special place.

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Postby T. Chokyi » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:34 am

You're very welcome :namaste:

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Postby Pema Rigdzin » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:13 pm

I just don't understand why Tibetans and the Westerners who run their Dharma centers think these centers have to be so fancy and expensive, or why many of them tend to make choices in running these places that drive up the costs seemingly as much as possible... Things can often be done much more simply and very likely cost less and be no less meaningful. No need to have brilliant, multi-thousand dollar chandeliers throughout the gompa, gilded everything, and all manner of other exorbitant ornamentation. How about just some nice but moderately priced representations of the 3 Jewels and Roots? Now, people will say "oh but it creates merit for those who donate to these projects and then it creates a source of refuge for everybody... But yeah, in the short term it creates merit for those who get involved, and the benefit of that cannot be understated, but then in the long run the high costs exclude a considerable number of people who don't make six figures, or even the high end of five figures, or don't have invests or trust funds, etc. And sure, some of these places have sliding fee scales and work study, but explaining your level of poverty and your need for assistance to attend Dharma teachings, empowerments, and retreats gets old real quick... especially when the person(s) working the door or the registration table are well off and are extremely out of touch with life in the lower economic brackets.

It's stuff like that that makes me just wanna mostly stay home like Dharma hermit or travel an hour to a rural, authentic Nyingma Dharma center that's scaled things down and offers retreat cabins for like $5 a day, stocked with a wood stove, fire wood, a bed, a small shrine, and a place to plug in a hot plate. You bring your food, bedding, and practice items, walk a ways up and use a communal shower, and you're good to go. It should cost little to camp at a place and use a shower, and one could make a profit off simple meals for way under $300 per person, and then encourage people to discreetly offer whatever they can to the center and the visiting lama, and they could encourage regular attendees to become members of the organization who commit to regular monthly donations according to their means.And there are numerous other ways to cover costs--if you don't build a palace rivaling that of a sambhogakaya buddha--if you get creative.

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Postby treehuggingoctopus » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:01 pm

. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .

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Postby Karma Dorje » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:44 pm

I think this is a pernicious problem the dharma faces in the West. Look at the "million dollar" remodeling that Ahkon Lhamo's center is said to need to meet code, or the purported tremendous cost of the dance pavilion at Tsegyalgar East.

Surely the money spent on all of these buildings could be better spent on supporting an ordained sangha here, paying for three-year retreatants, distributing texts free of charge, paying for translation activities, etc. Particularly for chodpas, isn't the idea to go to frightening places? Unless one has an irrational fear of chandeliers falling on one's head, is all the pomp and circumstance really necessary? People practice the path and become enlightened, not buildings.
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Postby pemachophel » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:02 am

IME, TM is a entrance-way for many Dharma noobs who are attracted to and impressed by the beauty of the place. I don't see the issue under discussion as an either/or situation. 84,000 entrances to the Dharma. If TM isn't to one's personal taste, no one says you have to go there. If you want to go there and can't afford the published prices, as has been said before, you can probably work something out. One size does not fit all, nor does one style of practice.

Once, many years ago when I was running my own youthful Puritanical number, my Root Guru told me that a true yogi should be comfortable anywhere, from a palatial mansion with golden spigots to a totally empty cave and everything in between. IMO, being critical of wealth and opulence is its own form of grasping.

Lama Tsultrim is not my Teacher, but I do appreciate what she has done at Tara Mandala. In fact, I think what she has been able to manifest there is quite incredible. The main temple blends the best of Tibetan art and architecture with modern Western fit and finish, and there are no over-the-top chandeliers or other unnecessary opulence. Personally, I find TM a model of tradition, modernity, and good taste.

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Postby Grigoris » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:05 am

For me, it takes an immeasurable degree of delusion to justify having to pay $300 to pitch a tent.

5-Star hotels charge that sort of money for semi board and accomodation AND it is not in a tent AND they PAY staff to ensure the smooth running of the facilities AND they have to maintain the facilities AND they still make a (hefty) profit.

So let's get real here for a second.
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Postby florin » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:24 pm

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