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Detached vs Involved

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Detached vs Involved

Postby Digger » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:24 am

I’d like to hear your opinions on the following – I think we can all agree that being detached is a goal to attain. And compassion is a goal to attain. But where do you draw the line when it comes to getting involved? If you see a person or animal suffering, do you (a) observe, remain detached, have compassion but not do anything to help? Or (b) do you physically get involved in helping? Would you say that a monk would do “a” and a Buddhist layman would do “b”? Maybe an example would be a Buddhist is meditating on a beach. A short distance away someone is in the water having trouble staying afloat. Do you sit and do nothing? Go help? Or bigger than just one situation, do you aim to live your life with the goal of being completely detached and separated, or aim to do your best to make things better for others while trying to remain detached following the Buddhist path? Thanks in advance for your responses.
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Re: Detached vs Involved

Postby bodom » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:56 am

We detach from greed, hatred and delusion not from generosity, loving kindness and wisdom.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: Detached vs Involved

Postby bodom » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:20 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Detached vs Involved

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:54 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Detached vs Involved

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Re: Detached vs Involved

Postby chownah » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:53 am

Detached does not necessarily mean aloof....it can mean just not clinging.
Compassion means understanding the suffering of others....it doe not necessarily mean to act.
I think that Equanimity should be added to this discussion as it accomodates both; being aware of the suffering of others one may act or not act without clinging......
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Re: Detached vs Involved

Postby santa100 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:59 am

Actually, detachment and compassion are closely related. One wouldn't be able to effectively help others as long as one's still attached to his/her ego, to the "I", to what is "mine", or "myself"..

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Re: Detached vs Involved

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Re: Detached vs Involved

Postby pegembara » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:18 am

How about becoming involved with detachment? Detachment is not indifference.

For example a fireman will risk his life to rescue people trapped in a fire. However if the situation is hopeless, he will not throw his life away running into the burning building. But if it is his loved ones trapped in a similar situation, it is likely that he will no longer act with detachment. His attachment may lead to his unnecessary demise as he now no longer see the situation as it really is.
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Re: Detached vs Involved

Postby Buckwheat » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:06 am

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.


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