52 Stages of the Boddhisattva

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52 Stages of the Boddhisattva

Postby dearreader » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:02 pm

Hello Lotus School followers. I was wondering if any one might be able to help me to answer a question,

In Snodgrass' The Matrix and Diamond World Mandalas in Shingon Buddhism He states that the 52 stages of Boddhisattvas is derived from the Saddharma Pundarika sutra. I, unfortunately, do not have a translation of this Sutra and can not find a reliable resource online that backs this up (only SGI sites).

In your readings or studies of the Lotus Sutra did you come across this teaching? If so, in what Chapter?

If not, does anyone know if this is an error in Snodgrass's work?

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All phenomena are encompassed in even a single point therein,
And the six sense objects are all included within its covers."
-Kukai, translated in Kukai on the Philosophy of Language by Takagi and Dreitlein

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Re: 52 Stages of the Boddhisattva

Postby Admin_PC » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:25 pm

Hrm... wonder if this corresponds to the 53 teachers in the Avatamsaka Sutra and the 53 former Buddhas in the Infinite Life Sutra.

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Re: 52 Stages of the Boddhisattva

Postby Astus » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:38 pm

Saddharma Pundarika Sutra, that is the Lotus Sutra. Quite a few translations are available online. .

The 52 stages system is based on the Gandavyuha Sutra, which is also the last chapter of the Avatamsaka Sutra.
Here are the stages in brief:
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: 52 Stages of the Boddhisattva

Postby greentara » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:09 pm

Astus, It's a very exacting list. If you look at the life of the doctor Jack Preger, you see a Boddhisattva in action. Working for decades on the streets of Calcutta (Kolkata) with the poorest of the poor. Tending people, not asking for money and no strings attached. A really good man and a great healer, reaching out a helping hand to all.

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Re: 52 Stages of the Boddhisattva

Postby dearreader » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:54 pm

"Inscribed with the brush of Mt. Sumeru and the ink of the seas,
Heaven-and-earth itself is the sutra book.
All phenomena are encompassed in even a single point therein,
And the six sense objects are all included within its covers."
-Kukai, translated in Kukai on the Philosophy of Language by Takagi and Dreitlein

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Re: 52 Stages of the Boddhisattva

Postby DGA » Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:37 pm

I don't have a copy of Snodgrass' book (this is the big two-volume one, right?), so I can't say one way or another. I find it difficult to imagine how the Lotus Sutra could be used in a stages-of-the-path sort of way, particularly by a Tendai writer.

If this is a high priority for you, I can go to the library, track Snodgrass down, and double check for you.

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Re: 52 Stages of the Boddhisattva

Postby dearreader » Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:46 pm

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"Inscribed with the brush of Mt. Sumeru and the ink of the seas,
Heaven-and-earth itself is the sutra book.
All phenomena are encompassed in even a single point therein,
And the six sense objects are all included within its covers."
-Kukai, translated in Kukai on the Philosophy of Language by Takagi and Dreitlein

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Re: 52 Stages of the Boddhisattva

Postby DGA » Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:20 pm

That's very interesting material indeed. I think the way these stages are presented reflects some of the commentarial tradition in TienTai/Tendai which is said to derive ultimately from the Lotus Sutra, but not directly or exclusively from that sutra (Snodgrass cites more than one source anyway).

Please understand also that I am by no means competent in esoteric practice.

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Re: 52 Stages of the Boddhisattva

Postby Astus » Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:39 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: 52 Stages of the Boddhisattva

Postby dearreader » Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:45 pm

"Inscribed with the brush of Mt. Sumeru and the ink of the seas,
Heaven-and-earth itself is the sutra book.
All phenomena are encompassed in even a single point therein,
And the six sense objects are all included within its covers."
-Kukai, translated in Kukai on the Philosophy of Language by Takagi and Dreitlein

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Re: 52 Stages of the Boddhisattva

Postby Astus » Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:57 pm

The reason I said it is the Gandavyuha Sutra is because in T. Cleary's translation of the Avatamsaka Sutra, in Appendix 3 he introduces and translates Li Tongxuan's commentary to it which in fact outlines the 52 stages, and also the same commentary is referred to in Buswell's "Collected Works of Chinul" summing up the bodhisattva path. I did not hear of Zhiyi's work before.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: 52 Stages of the Boddhisattva

Postby dearreader » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:21 am

"Inscribed with the brush of Mt. Sumeru and the ink of the seas,
Heaven-and-earth itself is the sutra book.
All phenomena are encompassed in even a single point therein,
And the six sense objects are all included within its covers."
-Kukai, translated in Kukai on the Philosophy of Language by Takagi and Dreitlein

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Re: 52 Stages of the Boddhisattva

Postby DGA » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:21 pm

Dearreader,

If you were surprised, then my post was effective. Surprise has an important role in TienTai pedagogy...

http://books.google.com/books/about/Bei ... zm_dBAXB0C

...but I expect you to retort that you know this already, or that you were demanding some other sort of response from the gallery.

It's considered exceptionally impolite to ask someone for knowledge or advice, and then dictate back to that person how that advice should be given (or what the content of that advice should be). Much more so in public. You're welcome.

Thanks for the scoop on NioKyo, by the way. Your new avatar is much improved.

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