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Stupid curiosity...

Postby pink_trike » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:26 am

In early Buddha iconography he's often shown with a mustache but I've noticed that now monks never have facial hair. If so, in light of the early iconography, why? Is it specifically required that monks shave their face? Or is it simply a custom that evolved from the shaving of the head?
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Re: Stupid curiosity...

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:39 am

Do you have an example to show or quote? The only statue / image I remember seeing with the mustache is Padmasambhava; but he is from the 8th century AD.

At the museum in Sarnath all of the very old statues were with shaven faces.
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Postby zavk » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:45 am

Hey I was pondering the same question recently too. Given how most holy people/renunciants in India had (and still have) facial hair, how did it come about that the members of the Sangha do not keep facial hair? But in kungfu films, we often see the abbott or master of Shaolin wisely stroking his beard. :sage:
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Postby pink_trike » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:12 am

They are rare, so images are difficult to find. It is apparently limited to the Gandharan period and later iconography that was influenced by that period. Here's what I was able to find.
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Re: Stupid curiosity...

Postby pink_trike » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:13 am

Not sure about this one. It looks similar to the one I once saw at the San Francisco Asian Art Museum, but can't really tell from this pic if it is actually a mustache.
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Postby mikenz66 » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:16 am

I think the seated Buddha in the middle is like the one in In the Buddha's Words, by Bhikkhu Bodhi. I've seen one of those, I think in a travelling exhibition from the British Museum. They are from Gandhara, Pakistan, Second Century, according to the note in the book.

I thought that was relatively early for Buddha images...

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Postby zavk » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:45 am

Ah... thank you for your responses, Bhantes. :anjali:
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"Once you understand anatta, then the burden of life is gone. You’ll be at peace with the world. When we see beyond self, we no longer cling to happiness and we can truly be happy."

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Re: Stupid curiosity...

Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:21 pm

i know some east asian buddhas have facial hair to show that the buddha is from the west, most of the time it's amida buddha with the facial hair though( like in your picture of the dai butsu in japan who is amida)
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Re: Stupid curiosity...

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:51 pm

Speaking of 'facial hair' . . . some Sri Lankan monks even shave the eyebrows!

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Bhante Gunaratana is a member / leader in the Siam Nikaya sect of Theravada and those monks shave all facial hair, including the eyebrows. But I am pretty certain that is just cultural, as the Vinaya mentions nothing about eyebrow shaving.
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