Is an Upasaka at liberty to discuss the Sangha?

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Is an Upasaka at liberty to discuss the Sangha?

Postby Zhen Li » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:07 am

This may have been addressed elsewhere, but I believe I remember reading in text, a very long time ago, something about an Upasaka abstaining from discussing Sangha affairs.

It certainly was not referring to the extent of causing a schism or spreading sectarian views, but more or less speaking in any manner which might be construed as negative with regards to the Sangha. I believe it was translated from a Chinese text, but I am not sure, so feel free to redirect this thread.

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Postby Indrajala » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:07 am

One of the bodhisattva precepts is to refrain from speaking of the faults (transgressions) of the renunciate assemblies (monks, nuns, novices...).

That means you basically don't announce it when someone breaks their precepts. That's supposed to be handled inside the sangha using the appropriate procedures. According to the Vinaya, the layperson has no right to formally bring up the precept violations of a monk or nun. It is supposed to be an internal matter.
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Postby Indrajala » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:48 am

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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Re: Is an Upasaka at liberty to discuss the Sangha?

Postby Konchog1 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:33 am

Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

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Re: Is an Upasaka at liberty to discuss the Sangha?

Postby Indrajala » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:38 am

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |


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