Ch'an groups in the West.

Ch'an groups in the West.

Postby Sara H » Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:10 am

Hi, all.
So, I was wondering, are there any Chan groups here in the west?
Specifically the United States, Canada, and the UK?

If so, are they "Western" Chan groups (with Western practitioners) or are they mostly in the asian communities?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Ch'an groups in the West.

Postby Meido » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:34 pm

There are quite a few Ch'an centers in the west. I hope they'll chime in.

The late Sheng-yen's Dharma Drum organization is one of the best known, with affiliates worldwide including quite a few in the USA, Canada and Europe. At the center in Queens, NY in the late 1980's there were at that time a good number of non-Asian Americans at the retreats together with students from the local Chinese community. I assume it is still the case, if not more so.

Dharma Drum: http://www.dharmadrum.org/content/globa ... .aspx?sn=1

Hsuan Hua's City of Ten Thousand Buddhas is also quite famous: http://www.cttbusa.org/

I've seen students of his post on DW as well.

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Re: Ch'an groups in the West.

Postby Astus » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:39 pm

In the UK (and affiliated centres in other European countries) there is the Western Chan Fellowship, it is within the Dharma Drum lineage but a separate organisation.
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(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

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True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

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Re: Ch'an groups in the West.

Postby Cloudy » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:58 pm

Sara H wrote:Hi, all.
So, I was wondering, are there any Chan groups here in the west?
Specifically the United States, Canada, and the UK?

If so, are they "Western" Chan groups (with Western practitioners) or are they mostly in the asian communities?

Thanks in advance!

In Gassho,

Sara H


Hi this reply is rather late but .... look up Humanistic Buddhism - of Ven. Hsing Yun (Ch'an) .... there are temples and even Universities across the West :-)
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Re: Ch'an groups in the West.

Postby Zhen Li » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:45 am

On that note, it may be easier to identify the Humanistic Buddhism branches by the name Fo Guang Shan.

Here's a directory for their North American branches:
http://www.fgs.org.tw/english/objective ... erica.html
and their European branches:
http://www.fgs.org.tw/english/objective ... urope.html

In my experience, whether there are western practitioners and accommodation for western practitioners depends entirely upon whether there is an established western community at the temple beforehand. Sometimes there is, and they will have frequent English classes and activities, and sometimes there simply aren't enough westerners there to warrant it - compared to, say, Tibetan temples.
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Re: Ch'an groups in the West.

Postby jeeprs » Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:11 am

I came across Dharma Realm Buddhist University which is based in Ukiah CA. It has an amazingly well-developed academic curriculum and online journal. You can find some details here: http://www.drbu.org/info/ven-hsuan-hua
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Re: Ch'an groups in the West.

Postby dzogchungpa » Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:50 am

jeeprs wrote:I came across Dharma Realm Buddhist University which is based in Ukiah CA. It has an amazingly well-developed academic curriculum and online journal. You can find some details here: http://www.drbu.org/info/ven-hsuan-hua

I regularly attend classes and sit at the Berkeley Buddhist Monastery which is one of the "campuses" of DRBU, and I have visited CTTB several times, which is the other. They are both excellent resources for bay area Buddhists.
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1) One should become a Bodhisattva (or, Buddha-to-be), i.e. one who is content with nothing less than all-knowledge attained through the perfection of wisdom for the sake of all beings.
2) There is no such thing as a Bodhisattva, or as all-knowledge, or as a ‘being’, or as the perfection of wisdom, or as an attainment.
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Re: Ch'an groups in the West.

Postby Huifeng » Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:54 am

Ben Yuan wrote:On that note, it may be easier to identify the Humanistic Buddhism branches by the name Fo Guang Shan.


Thanks for the post, but just to note, the term "Humanistic Buddhism" (人間佛教) certainly is not just Fo Guang Shan. In general, this could be considered the mainstream of modern Chinese Buddhism in Taiwan, PRoC, HK, etc. The groups associated with Ven. Yin Shun, Ven. Hsing Yun, Ven. Cheng Yen, Ven. Sheng Yen and others all use the term, for example. Though in English at least, it may appear that it is just / mainly FGS.

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA%BA% ... B%E6%95%99

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Re: Ch'an groups in the West.

Postby Huifeng » Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:56 am

dzogchungpa wrote:
jeeprs wrote:I came across Dharma Realm Buddhist University which is based in Ukiah CA. It has an amazingly well-developed academic curriculum and online journal. You can find some details here: http://www.drbu.org/info/ven-hsuan-hua

I regularly attend classes and sit at the Berkeley Buddhist Monastery which is one of the "campuses" of DRBU, and I have visited CTTB several times, which is the other. They are both excellent resources for bay area Buddhists.


hmmm, maybe we have sat together at BBM, during one of my short stays there no so long ago. :smile:

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Re: Ch'an groups in the West.

Postby dzogchungpa » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:21 am

Huifeng wrote:hmmm, maybe we have sat together at BBM, during one of my short stays there no so long ago. :smile:

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I only go to the 5:15 sessions, so I assume you sat in the mornings, as I'm quite certain I would have noticed a white monk. :smile:
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The thousands of lines of the Prajnaparamita can be summed up in the following two sentences:
1) One should become a Bodhisattva (or, Buddha-to-be), i.e. one who is content with nothing less than all-knowledge attained through the perfection of wisdom for the sake of all beings.
2) There is no such thing as a Bodhisattva, or as all-knowledge, or as a ‘being’, or as the perfection of wisdom, or as an attainment.
To accept both these contradictory facts is to be perfect.
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Re: Ch'an groups in the West.

Postby randomseb » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:00 am

The Sunshine Zen Center is ch'an, in that it's patriarchal zen, aka the original zen from china, not today's modernized institutional stuff from japan, for example

http://sunshinezen.org/about-zen/

This is on the west coast of canada, so in the west of the west, huh!
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