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What is it again, "Loving Kindness saves one from nihilism, emptiness saves one from absolutism".

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There are two extremes- the extreme of nihilism and the extreme of existence.

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The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
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NAMO AMITABHA
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Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Postby randomseb » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:05 pm

An object you see in front of your eyes exists no where but in your own mind, in a very literal sense. That is to say, this is how the biology of your eyes, your brain and the function of eyesight works, neurologically. What we seem to see out of our eyes is a representation of the world our brain assembles.

Conceptually, this is like in that movie The Matrix, except that our "matrix" is a very personal experience, and maybe you could say that whatever is beyond it is some kind of undefined, uncreated reality, a kind of uncollapsed quantum probability field, perhaps.

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Postby randomseb » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:47 am

Einstein once complained about the moon not existing if it wasn't observed, due to some quantum physics phenomena.. So who knows, really? Of course, something is always observing it at any given moment, but.. Yea.

Anyway I had a problem with this everything is your own mind business, until I investigated the biology involved and saw that this was actually literally the case.. Now when I look at a distant tree, I know I am not actually looking at a tree, but rather at a kind of internal 3d modal of a tree my brain slapped together based on the thousands and thousands of independent input streams it was getting from my retina, using memorized forms as it's instruction set.

This is like an online computer game, like say world of warcraft, when you get into it and associate yourself with the little bouncy character, and you see trees and objects and other people wandering around, but of course these don't actually exist as anything but streams of information coming off a central server [raw reality], sent to your computer [brain] via the internet networks [nerve system] and rendered into apparent forms by the game client [say, subconscious, 5 skandhas], displayed on your screen [consciousness] and viewed by the gamer [awareness]. Every gamer has the same server giving them the same information, from whatever angle they happen to be in, and to each of them it seems like an independent experience, but it's all actually the same server.

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