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The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

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The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

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Re: The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

Postby chownah » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:08 am

Are there sounds that are taken as meditation objects at all?....I've never heard of one that I can remember.....does anyone have examples?
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Re: The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

Postby Moggalana » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:59 am

Let it come. Let it be. Let it go.

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Re: The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

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Rain soddens what is covered up,
It does not sodden what is open.
Therefore uncover what is covered
That the rain will not sodden it.
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Re: The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

Postby Ben » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:54 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

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Let it come. Let it be. Let it go.

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Re: The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

Postby cooran » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:59 pm

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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Re: The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

Postby daverupa » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:23 pm

I wonder if biofeedback principles + heart-beat bhavana = heart attack...

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Re: The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

Postby Ben » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:51 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

(Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • •

e: [email protected]..

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Re: The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

Postby rowboat » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:16 am

Rain soddens what is covered up,
It does not sodden what is open.
Therefore uncover what is covered
That the rain will not sodden it.
Ud 5.5

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Re: The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:25 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

Postby rowboat » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:56 am

That is interesting. Thank you for the input, Retrofuturist. (Three or four years ago I had a lovely hardcover copy of the Visuddhimagga in one volume - which I let go while in the midst of what was, for me, a rather naive anti-commentarial Puritanism. Copy number two will be arriving shortly.)

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Re: The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

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Rain soddens what is covered up,
It does not sodden what is open.
Therefore uncover what is covered
That the rain will not sodden it.
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Re: The heartbeat as an unsuitable meditation object

Postby Gena1480 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:07 am

i have try this kind of meditation
after the heart stops
the winds in the body become more noticeable
as they are separated from the heart
the temperature of the body rise up (heat element)
it feels similar to sickness (when you have high temperature)
but attention becomes more clear
as your mind experience fear of not knowing what is happening in the body
your senses become more noticeable, but the mind is not calm all the time
it jumps from being calm when knowing what is happening and when experiencing a new things
first its afraid, then it is interesting and it confused
it is the way to break sense passion fetter/taint but it is very difficult
you can feel the kilesa in the heart connected to senses bases
this really comes down to 8 noble path
where effort is the most valuable tool which controls mindfulness and samadhi, they need to be tune like a string
which is not easy to do, and i must say that i i was not successful but i gain some insight
my mistake was that my thoughts were not firm
while my mindfulness of the body was good but mindfulness of the mind was lacking and i couldn't get under control
it was to much effort on the senses
right thought and right effort was not in tune
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