Sara H wrote:
For the record, a "Zen Master" has a very clear established definition
Thank you. What I meant was that in the context of this conversation "Zen master" had not really been defined.
up until your excellent post.
This "established definition of Zen master
" might be used in OBC circles, it is also limited to the OBC.
I am curious, Sarah what you think the Japanese equivalent would be of Zen master - the way it is used in OBC.
If you would take this "established" definition serious - you would have a difficult time finding one Soto zen teacher (outside the OBC), in the West or Japan who would meet these criteria.
Actually, I don't think even Jiuy kennett would. (She did not spend a great deal of time at Soji-ji)
Also, don't forget celibacy in the OBC only became required in 1985 - when I was at SA in the 70's being married was not a problem.
For alll those zen teachers who have been recognised and authorised by the Sotoshu (Japanese Soto Zen organisation) to teach Zen, celibacy has not been an issue. Actually the last head of training at Eihei-ji was a married priest.
By Sarah's "established definition" Shunryu Suzuki was not a Zen master.
Zen master is a somewhat vague English term that arose in the first half of the 20th c., sometimes used to refer to an individual who teaches Zen Buddhist meditation and practices, usually implying longtime study and subsequent authorization to teach and transmit the tradition themselves.
ps this post is not meant to criticise OBC, only the use and validity of the "established definition".