David Loy on Attachment

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Re: David Loy on Attachment

Postby Jikan » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:57 pm

For what it's worth, the only people I know at the university who take psychoanalytic discourse seriously as a kind of knowledge (as opposed to a cultural artifact) are in the humanities: Lacan is deployed for certain kinds of cultural criticism, and there are still a few octogenarian Jungians of the Joseph Campbell stripe who steadfastly refuse to retire. In addition to the generation gap, there seems to be a political divide at work too: those of us on the left tend to put Jung in the same category as Heidegger (creepy eternalist & at best a fellow-traveler on the fascist train), while our friends on the right find much to admire in his work and do not see much merit in such criticisms.

And to complicate all these generalizations, Walter Benjamin (hardly a Nazi sympathizer) read Jung carefully, and bits of Jung turn up in the Arcades Project.

I bring all this up to suggest that academic consumption of psychoanalysis and Jung in particular may differ from how he's read and the meaning that's made of his work elsewhere.

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Re: David Loy on Attachment

Postby Simon E. » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:17 pm

Jung is still big with artists and writers. As a means of tapping the unconscious Jungs methodology still has resonance.
However that does not appear to translate into a reduction in suffering among those with a range of actual mental health issues.
CBT and its variants yield measurable and repeatable results in the management of some forms of clinical depression, clinical anxiety, phobic and obsessional states.
At this point it is usually helpful to point out that the " B " in CBT does not equate to Skinnerian Behaviourism. It rather points to an existential understanding of the subjects own narrative vis a vis their thoughts and behaviour , rather than an attempt to unearth any supposed buried trauma.
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Re: David Loy on Attachment

Postby Jnana » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:13 pm

While not a Tibetan translation of upādāna in the context of dependent arising, the Tibetan term shenpa (zhen pa) is related to and also often translated as "attachment." There is a well known Sakya mind training teaching called Parting from the Four Attachments, which has been the subject of numerous commentaries.

Ani Pema Chödrön has also taught quite a bit on the subject of shenpa, such as in this talk. She is generally pretty good at conveying the teachings in relatable, contemporary terms.
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