conebeckham wrote:Ha Ha.....anything but "esteemed." A shot in the dark, more like...
This reminds me, though, of the short prayer of Chogyur Lingpa's --"Du Sum Sangye Guru Rinpoche, Ngro Drup Kun dak Dewachenpo Shab..." etc.
I'd been reciting it for years, thinking the first three lines all referred directly to Guru Rinpoche, qualities, etc......until someone pointed out that the second line referred to a form known as "Dewachenpo" and the third line referred to a form known as "Guru Totreng Tsel" or Guru Drakpo Tsel. In a sense, of course, they're the same, but they're also iconographically distinct, and with various practices, etc. associated.
pemachophel wrote:I've seen a couple of different renderings in English of the line that goes:
DEM-CHOG DOD-PAI GYAL-PO DE-CHEN-TER
Does this line refer only to Chakrasamvara and His attributes, i.e., "King of Desire, Treasure of Great Bliss," or does it enumerate Chakrasamvara, Takkiraja, and another Deity named Treasure of Great Bliss? If it's the latter, does anyone know Who the Treasure of Great Bliss is? A quick Google search turned up nothing.
pemachophel wrote:T. Chokyi,
Thanks. Your answer appears to be definitive. However, in the translation from the Lotsawa website, they seem to have not translated DEM-CHOG in the line I was referring to, nor is DEM-CHOG in the Jigphun thangka. Any explanation for that? Is DEM-CHOG an epithet for Takkiraja (Dod-pai Gyal-po)?
Do you know is there's a picture on-line of the three levels of Dusum Sangay? Light of Wisdom Vol. 4 that you mention simply has a picture of Amitabha on the front. At least that what I found at the several book-selling sites my search brought up. A search for Duddul Drakpo Tsal didn't bring up any pics other than the standard seated Guru Rinpoche or Nang-sid Zil-non. Isn't Duddul Drakpo Tsal standing and haloed by flames?
Guru Dewachenpo is immediately above the head of Guru Rinpoche, but I don't know what the specific form of GR seen here is known by.....
pemachophel wrote:T. Chokyi,
Yours was my original interpretation. But then one of my Teachers said Dem-chog is Chakrasamvara in this prayer. I said Dem-chog is a Sarma Deity and this is a Nyingma prayer. He said Chakrasamvara is not just a Sarma Deity, but then He didn't elaborate further and I didn't want to press the issue in front of other students. Interestingly, this Lama started His career as a Kagyudpa. So He may have been predisposed to interpret Dem-chog this way. In any case, I will revisit this with Him by way of sharing the URLs you so generously posted. I also asked Him about Vajra Dharma/Dorje Cho and He said this was just another name for Amitabha. Again I couldn't really agree. Perhaps a form of Amitabha, but not simply Amitabha per se.
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