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Re: dhammas

Postby brahmabull » Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:19 pm

The quoted Theravada view of dhamma is in complete agreement with Nagarjuna so long as you take the word "arising" to mean an arising in the sense of provisionally saying "arising" and not a "truly arising" arising, because Nagarjuna's main point was that conditional arising is no arising. Then, he used that point to say samsara and nirvana are no different. Based on that Mahayana was born (and Vajrayana and Dzogchen) (IMHO). Why this matters is that if you just get that single point of the quoted matter, then that's pretty much the sum total realization of all Buddhas in any so-called yana.

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Re: dhammas

Postby Gena1480 » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:16 pm

Brahmabull
i have to disagree with teaching that samsara is nibbana
samsara is cycles of suffering it is 31 plains of existence
it includes the sense sphere realm
it includes the fine material realm
it includes the immaterial realm
if we look at the suttas the one is free from this world
using unestablished consciousness
he is not in the samsara
he can not be tracked
this tells us clearly the nibbana is not samsara
plus one who is free has destroyed
the taint of sense desire
the taint of being
the taint of ignorance
he will not be born in any of the realms
metta

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But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: dhammas

Postby ground » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:01 pm

General:
Conditioning <-> Counter-conditioning .... ---> knowing

Particular 1:
Perceiving attractiveness <-> perceiving ugliness .... ---> non-conceptual knowing, i.e. liberation from both, attractiveness and ugliness

Particular 2:
Perceiving permanence <-> perceiving impermanence .... ---> non-conceptual knowing, i.e. liberation from both, permanence and impermanence


Liberation is "the middle way".


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