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Should the world exist?

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Should the world exist?

Postby Viscid » Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:25 pm

Would it be preferrable to have an eternal state of nothingness, a permanent ceasing of thing-ness: no world, no body, no self, no pleasure, no love, no joy, no insight, no knowledge, no family, no friends, no music, no literature, no seeing, no hearing, no thinking, no greed, no hatred, no delusion.. than to exist in a reality full of suffering?

Would you sacrifice the existence of everything to be rid of suffering?
"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Should the world exist?

Postby Fede » Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:38 pm

No, because it might mean harm to others and prevent Buddhas from being born.

I hope this question is hypothetical, or should I be making arrangements to remove all funds from my bank and go on a sushi-binge....?
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: Should the world exist?

Postby cooran » Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:39 pm

Hello Viscid,

This is ''Imagination''. We have only a choice to continue as we have been through Samsara, or seek freedom by following the Dhamma.

with karuna,
Chris
---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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Re: Should the world exist?

Postby Fede » Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:42 pm

"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Should the world exist?

Postby Viscid » Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:49 pm

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Should the world exist?

Postby Fede » Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:57 pm

Well then it really is an utterly pointless question without foundation.

Why did you even think of posing it?

What would you prefer?
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Should the world exist?

Postby Viscid » Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:07 pm

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Should the world exist?

Postby Fede » Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:21 pm

Right.
So what was the point in proposing the alternative, given that it's illogical and imponderable?
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Should the world exist?

Postby Viscid » Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:42 pm

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Should the world exist?

Postby brahmabull » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:16 pm

Answer: No. It arises from an error. But it is here nonetheless and worlds will continue to arise forever. There's no use celebrating it or pouting about it. Our job is to awaken from the dream and help others to do so as well.

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Re: Should the world exist?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:25 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Should the world exist?

Postby Sherab » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:06 am

What does it mean to be beyond existence and non-existence?

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Re: Should the world exist?

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Re: Should the world exist?

Postby pegembara » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:49 am

One gone to the far shore
without clinging
without effluent
his task completed,
welcomes the ending of life,
as if freed from a place of execution.
Having attained the supreme Rightness,
unconcerned with all the world,
as if released from a burning house,
he doesn't sorrow at death.

When seeing the world with discernment
as on a par with grass & twigs,
finding no 'mine-ness,'
thinking, 'There's nothing of mine,'
he feels no sorrow.
Dissatisfied with this carcass,
I'm unconcerned with becoming.
This body will break up
and there will not be another.
Do as you like with this carcass.
From that I will feel
neither hatred nor love.


Adhimutta and the Bandits
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Should the world exist?

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Re: Should the world exist?

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Re: Should the world exist?

Postby santa100 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:38 pm

Just from a narrow-angle look at "Nibbana is the deathless", it could mean it's transcended the cycle of birth (states of existence) and death (states of non-existence). Anyway, we're not gonna be able to know 100% what Nibbana is until we've experienced it. And there's no shortcut to the finish point. One'll have to do what the Buddha and his noble disciples did to get there: observing the precepts, purifying the mind, perfecting the paramis, etc..

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