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Pitfall of letting go??

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Pitfall of letting go??

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:07 am

Dear Members,

We have heard that in practice when we face a problem such as anger or craving, just let go your anger, let go your craving.

Indirectly, we are thinking that there is something to let go.

But, we know that at ultimate level, there is nothing, only appearance which is illusion.

So, when we let go, we are actually unconsciously reaffirm the notion of essence, of something, of core.

During meditation, we are are trying to realize to essenceless, but during post-meditation, we are indirectly and unconsciously reaffirm the essence.

What is your view?
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Pitfall of letting go??

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Re: Pitfall of letting go??

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:30 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Pitfall of letting go??

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Re: Pitfall of letting go??

Postby Kenshou » Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:45 am

I wish this thread was an illusion, gosh.

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Re: Pitfall of letting go??

Postby ground » Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:47 am

DarwidHalim

I know where you are coming from. In all your posts you are trying to express what you have learned in the context of tibetan philosophies. I have studied Madhyamaka myself for years. I know your kind of "thinking about". Beware that it is not becoming an obsession. After all it is just discursive thinking. However the Buddha teaches that you have to approach your experience directly.

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Re: Pitfall of letting go??

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:55 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Pitfall of letting go??

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:56 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Pitfall of letting go??

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Re: Pitfall of letting go??

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:17 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Pitfall of letting go??

Postby Fede » Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:31 am

Why do you create so many threads on one topic?
First it was DO, (3 different threads I think) now letting go.....

Would one thread not sufffice?

It's a form of attachment, you see.
Maybe to being noticed, or heard....? :thinking:
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Pitfall of letting go??

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Re: Pitfall of letting go??

Postby Dan74 » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:18 am

All teachings like this are provisional.

Anger happens because of reification.

Then we become aware of "anger" arising. We build spacious awareness around this arising and let go of the arising.

Then we let go of the letting go. Not necessary anymore.

Provisional constructs like entities that dependently originate to dissolve one level of reification. Anatta to dissolve the reification of dhammas. Letting go of clinging to views, next. Non-abiding in anything, next.

Or so it seems to me.
_/|\_

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Re: Pitfall of letting go??

Postby chownah » Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:14 pm

DarwidHalim, you wrote:

"We have heard that in practice when we face a problem such as anger or craving, just let go your anger, let go your craving.

Indirectly, we are thinking that there is something to let go.

But, we know that at ultimate level, there is nothing, only appearance which is illusion.

So, when we let go, we are actually unconsciously reaffirm the notion of essence, of something, of core."

I think there is something to this but my view of this is slightly different. You say that you think that thinking to let go affirms the notion of essence...and I think that this is correct to a certain degree but my view is that people who already view the object of craving as having essence will think about letting go as if there was an essence to let go of. Also, my view is that if someone already has a well established belief that there is no essence to the object of craving and also no essence to the craving itself then when craving arises they can focus the mind on the impremanence or selflessness of the experience and when this is done properly the object and the craving do not re-arise.
For example it is typical for someone to get angry and then start thinking thoughts which feed the anger and then anger keeps arising again and again perhaps for an hour or more. Someone who discerns the arising of anger in the beginning can mindfully withdraw and contemplate the impermanence or selflessness of the experience of the anger and this calms the mind stops the re-arising of anger....the anger just disipates....there is no struggle to subdue it or to let go of it....it just does not arise and the mind is left in a state of calm tranquility.....this is what I call letting go of the anger.....actually it is not a "letting go" at all but rather an inhibition of the arising.....
chownah


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