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Postby Johnny Dangerous » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:39 am

Out of curiosity JKhedrup, where exactly are kids taught how to use a condom without the other stuff?

If I recall correctly 20 years ago or so in my health classes they in fact specifically spent quite a long time on explaining a healthy sex life, has something changed in education? I don't remember anyone telling me to go out and hop on everything I saw. The condom part was in fact a very small part of sex education..which I have to say at least at that time, was quite sane. I don't say it would live up to dharma standards or ideas about sex and reproduction, but most sources of sex ed I have seen (planned parenthood centers, schools, whatever) supply a broad range of information about healthy and responsible sexuality. This again does not square it with dharma standards by any means, but I have to say the suggestion that kids are just "taught to use a condom" with no context by institutions sounds a bit of embellishment to me, in my experience...it sounds like something abstinence-only education people in this country say as reasons why we shouldn't have sex ed.

P.S. I think it's great to be celibate, or not,...I just thought the about unrolling condoms is something that should be qualified and explained a little.

I've made this suggestion before, but here ya go: For us householders, there is no better recipe for celibacy than getting married and having kids

*dum dum da dum*

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Re: Health Impact of Celibacy

Postby JKhedrup » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:06 am

Yudron the Nyingma Kama wangs sound great. I often joke that my first choice for rebirth would have been Bhutan, second a Tibetan settlement in India and third California. You guys are so fortunate in Cali with a huge variety of really good centres and teachers available. I would move there if it weren't so expensive. I bet Geshe la would consider working in a centre there too-he likes Holland but hates the climate.

Johnny, I will explain-I do not advocate an abstinence only approach, I think that is also irresponsible but I do advocate balance. It maybe depends from school to school. I was in high school in the mid nineties, in a well integrated multicultural public school in Toronto. Students came from a variety of economic backgrounds. Sex ed was taught by outside people, not our teachers. The outside instructors were preaching a 'sex positive' approach. Basically, no one wanted to say anything that might be seen as 'negative' about sex. We were not taught about controlling urges really, how to be in charge of our sexuality. We were simply taught about various methods of contraception, how to avoid STDs etc. There was no heart to heart advice, no lifestyle advice.

In the schools no one takes care of the social education and ethics education of teens. School is at best a way to have a successful career. I am not advocating religious schools, but schools that teach more than just getting ahead, also how to be kind and respinsible. Walk into a high school in the West today and watch how the kids treat the teachers. Then go to a Tibetan school in India, an Indian school, a Thai or Taiwanese school and compare the experience.

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Postby Johnny Dangerous » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:13 am

Geez, talk about over simplification..there are bad things about traditional cultures too, and the way their children behave. There are also good things about the way "western" kids behave too, as much as every single person likes to do nothing but demonize them.

I get where you're coming from, and agree with some of that, especially about the wider scope of education.
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Postby JKhedrup » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:28 am

It is not an uninformed opinion. I have been exposed broadly to both systems.

Asian schools have other problems. Taiwan for example, an extremely high suicide rate partly because of emphasis on difficult exams. But that is not what you asked me about.

Most educators I have spoken to in the West are very concerned about the level of education, and what they see as the increasingly bad behaviour of their students, and parents who are too busy working in many cases to help their children. Study after study has shown that in primary and secondary education, Western standards are falling way behind. Our universities are still quite good, but in the US for example how many families can afford university? In Western countries, professions demanding high levels of education are increasingly filled by immigrants or the children of immigrants. My friend who studies engineering at U of T told me most of his tutorials were done in Chinese because he was one of 2 or 3 native English speakers in the whole program.

Obama stated in a widely published speech very clearly that America was falling behind in this regard. In short, of course there are exceptions but the general trend has been noted by many. I am just calling it like I see it.

I am only 32, it is not that long since I was a Western kid. I was not well behaved, nor were most of my peers. We weren't criminals either, but could have accomplished much more with discipline. I had great parents, but the outside influences were so strong there was onlt so much they could do-insist I take summer jobs, insist I finish an undergrad degree.

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Re: Modern Education

Postby Astus » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:12 pm

The idea that feminism is the source of undisciplined youth in Canada sounds very strange. I haven't been to many places but in the EU, where the equality of sexes is a core value, I haven't heard of any country where public transport is unsafe or that travellers are harassed by unruly people. There are incidents, sure, but it's not normal.

Blaming women for not staying home for a larger social problem sounds to me very prejudiced and misogynistic.

The society in general should accept responsibility for children who are all taught at schools. Schools could teach correct behaviour. Films and other media could teach it too. In fact, we could say that since mostly men are the writers of TV programmes and computers games they cause the trouble.
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Postby Astus » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:42 pm

Huseng,

We may have different understanding of what feminism is about. I see it as the equality of sexes and not the superiority of women. Parenting is a job for fathers and mothers alike. It is in fact the disregard of the idea of equality that you can say mothers should stay at home. Why not the fathers? Why not try to find a system that is actually beneficial for the children and parents as well? Women are not better parents than men. Taking care of children is not a matter of which reproductive organ one has.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Modern Education

Postby Astus » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:57 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Modern Education

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:08 pm

"Feminism" is a really wide range of thought. Everything from pro-business "girl get ahead" stuff to socialist ideas of womens liberation being tied in large part to class, to the classical stereotype of obsession with patriarchy are called "feminist". Put these people in a room together and they won't agree on anything.

Pointing at something you don't like, and calling it feminism is a poor argument, especially when it does not even come close to reflecting the wide range of views that fall within that category.

"purge feminism"?

Man, time for a forum break lol.
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Postby Astus » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:44 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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