ronnewmexico wrote:What I find hard to fathom is this, if this is meant in reference to this discussion.....
"I really can't fathom why the point that abortion is always a negative karma is up for debate for some Buddhists"
I have not noticed that anyone here has taken that view. Where are these peoples, or are they but straw men ripe for knocking down, so we may then simplify a very complex issue.
Pema wrote:Mental negativities are negative karmas too. We've all created many unspeakable karmas in the past and surely have created some not so beautiful ones in this life, so we're in no position to judge. But it's not the time to make excuses or use hazy thinking in recognizing what actions to avoid and which one's to embrace.
ronnewmexico wrote:Abortions are not murder. Never have been never will be.
Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Also, I clearly stated before that the issue of whether there should be legislation criminalizing abortion is entirely separate and worthy of debate.
I have not suggested whether such legislation should or should not be passed. I recognized that criminalizing it may lead to unintended and unwanted harm. I think your idea of increased sex ed from a young age, education about condom use, and various social programs to better instruct and empower Americans to act more safely and responsibly is a great idea. Too bad ultra-conservative Americans have long blocked such things from happening on the scale on which they need to. I pray that may that soon change.
The point is the killing does not equal the killing of a born human in cause of suffering.
ronnewmexico wrote:nothing here states that killing is not a karmic fault always. It always is, but sometimes it is the logical choice depending upon circumstance to produce less overall harm.
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