I don't know why you put these clauses in. Any lama that has received the specific teaching can give you the oral transmission regardless of their affiliation. It'll make finding a lama to do the job much easier.The lama must be one affiliated in some way through KTD at Woodstock and the Karma Kagyu tradition.
cataractmoon wrote:I live in the Oklahoma area and need a reading transmission of the common Ngondro offered at KTD Monastery. I have the teaching aspect of the practice from my teacher, whom I contact via phone.
dakini_boi wrote:cataractmoon wrote:I live in the Oklahoma area and need a reading transmission of the common Ngondro offered at KTD Monastery. I have the teaching aspect of the practice from my teacher, whom I contact via phone.
Can't your lama give you the reading transmission over the phone?
Really? The empowerment and not just the lung? That's the first time I have heard that one. Maybe, because here in Greece empowerments (in general) are rare commodities this is not necessary?conebeckham wrote:You should have the Vajrasattva empowerment in order to accumulate VS mantras.
Interesting that you say the explanations are needed "in preference to" the reading transmission. Normally for liturgies (and especially mantra) it is the other way around.But the main thing with ngondro, and especially with the refuge/prostrations/bodhicitta, is the explanation.
As you would know quite well lama tsewang, they are considered as distinct. I, for example, have reading transmission (lung) for many practices (liturgies and mantra)that I have never received instructions/explanations (tri) for. I have empowerments (wang) for deities where I only received lung for the mantra and not the practices. Actually, I would say, from my experience, that the the rarest situation, is to have received instructions (tri) for a practice that you have never received a reading transmission (lung) or empowerment (wang) for.lama tsewang wrote:if you have the instructions then why are you making a distinction, between that and a lung???
So what you are saying is that getting a tri is the same as getting a lung?lama tsewang wrote:NO NO, IF YOU GET AN EXPLANATION OF THE KARMA KAGYU NGONDRO , THAT WOULD SUBSUME HAVING THE LUNG , how else can the explanation be given? this is what i assume, it makes sense , usually in these circumstances id have the book and do both intertwined together.I find it very strange to hear someone say that they have the explanation for the karma kagyu ngondro, , and yet still does not have the necessary prerequisites for doing the practice??? and not only that, theres a fear of not being able to count the numbers of prostrations toward the total. youre tying yourself in knots. i would sugggest relaxing a bit , otherwise youre reinforcing the habits the ngondro is trying to weaken.
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