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Absorption of a thoroughbred man

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Absorption of a thoroughbred man

Postby ground » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:35 am

Hi

would you think that the absorption (other translations may call it "concentration") referred to in the is the same as the "concentration on the signless" discussed and also referred to as "theme-less concentration" by B. Thanissaro in his translation of the ?


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Re: Absorption of a thoroughbred man

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:10 am

Greetings TMingyur,

Yes. As I read these suttas, the emphasis is absorption into the signless, rather than absorption into a fabricated object (sankhata dhamma).

How do you interpret the teaching presented?

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Re: Absorption of a thoroughbred man

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Re: Absorption of a thoroughbred man

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:52 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Absorption of a thoroughbred man

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Postby retrofuturist » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:23 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Absorption of a thoroughbred man

Postby chownah » Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:56 am

I'm probably not understanding much here but it seems to me that the jhana progression seems to be a progression to more and more refinement of the sign.....there isn't going to be much of a sign when you get to neither perception nor non-perception for example.

Or maybe my understanding of the term "sign" is wrong.
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Re: Absorption of a thoroughbred man

Postby chownah » Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:49 am

Nana,
Thanks for your reply. I read all of MN 121 and frankly I don't see what all of this uncertainty is about. Could it be that what is going on is that a different times the process of refinement of sign (all the way to signlessness) is posed in different terms perhaps for the reason of giving a different emphasis and that people are getting so attatched to the analysis and its variations that they are losing sight of the meaning of the process overall?....I don't know...I just don't see a discrepency of any significance.
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P.S. Having looked around a bit more I see that probably this post should have been made over on the "concentration on the signless" thread.....sorry if this is in the wrong thread.
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