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Mindfulness buddhism: real buddhism?

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Mindfulness buddhism: real buddhism?

Postby Sacha G » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:36 pm

Hello
I wanted to know what you think of "mindfulness buddhism"?
I think of a trend which includes Tich Naht Hahn, Ajahn Sumedho, the Vipassana movement, Zen buddhism...
Sometimes I think it overemphasizes one aspect of the path: samma-sati.
But on the other side, I believe that some masters in those paths are highly realised, maybe even Arahants.
So I'd like to read you point of view
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Postby Fede » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:40 pm

I thought Mindfulness was one of the primary objectives in Buddhism.
The whole of the Eightfold path could be described thus....
But this is my ignorance speaking.
I'm a very simple soul, after all.
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Mindfulness buddhism: real buddhism?

Postby James the Giant » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:53 pm

Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: Mindfulness buddhism: real buddhism?

Postby Jhana4 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:36 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Postby retrofuturist » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:53 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby manas » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:53 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Mindfulness buddhism: real buddhism?

Postby ground » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:37 am

People tend to exaggerate what has been of help to them.

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Re: Mindfulness buddhism: real buddhism?

Postby Sacha G » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:02 am

Hi
As far as I know the Buddha stessed the jhânas. But nowadays, among the schools and masters I've cited, these aspects are ignored (at least to certain extent). What's more, the wisdom aspect is also underdevelopped, as far as I can understand these schools: there is little mention of the 5 aggregates, the 12 bases, and D.O. Rather you're told to remain "in the unconditionned mind", by being "fully aware". I don't say that it doesn't work, I just say that it's (maybe) putting to much stress on one particular aspect of the path.
Some teachers have a more balanced approach in my view: Thanissaro Bhikkhu, Bhikkhu Bodhi, Ajahn Sujato, Ajahn Amaro, Ajahn Anan, L.P Chah, L.P Maha Bua...not to talk of the Tibetan Masters such as the Dalai Lama. :popcorn:
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Postby retrofuturist » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:04 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Mindfulness buddhism: real buddhism?

Postby Ben » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:20 am

Ah yes, its those naughty commentarians again!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Mindfulness buddhism: real buddhism?

Postby DarwidHalim » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:02 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Mindfulness buddhism: real buddhism?

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:14 pm

I think there is a good reason why Buddha spelled out 8 different areas of practice (the noble eightfold path)- because it is the most effective description of all the areas which deserve our attention, and might get easily left out if we only focus on mindfulness.

I once had a class based on virtue, concentration and insight (sila,samadhi, panna). But this lead to people being very good in their precepts and meditations- but did little to improve them as human beings! So now focusing much more on right effort for example- reducing the unwholesome and improving the wholesome- thereby improving relationships etc. Also focusing more on right view, right intention, and individually focusing on speech, action, livelihood etc. You teach only mindfulness and that is most likely the only thing they will learn.

The Buddha did say 'mindfulness is helpful in all things' and also that the four foundations of mindfulness is the 'one/sure path' to nibbana. Mindfulness lies behind all other 7 factors along with right effort and right view. But it cannot be used on its own without seriously disfiguring the Buddha's path to enlightenment.

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