Buddhism and the Perennial Philosophy

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Re: Buddhism and the Perennial Philosophy

Postby Grigoris » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:46 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Buddhism and the Perennial Philosophy

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Buddhism and the Perennial Philosophy

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:43 pm

Vidyaraja ou're probably aware of this..but there are numerous writings on the Buddha-nature you are talking about that specifically address ascribing multiplicity, unity, or any other conditions to "it", in fact...getting around conditional thought about this "it" or ascribing dichotomous thought to the Buddha nature is a pretty central piece of most Buddhist thought it seems like.

Naturally there is a range of opinion and plenty of disagreement, but there is plenty of literature suggesting that "one truth" (aka monism) is not quite the way to access Buddhadharma, in my limited experience and understanding of course.

On Evola, he was pretty much a fascist, you can mince words about him if you want, but I don't buy it. Certainly today in the circles in which he is most popular, he is revered specifically for an anti-egalitarian, utterly anti-modern, and anti-democratic reactionary point of view, you can say this is different from fascism if you want..but as far as I cam concerned he was a fascist, as I mentioned in the other thread "apolitea" is a part of the Third Positionist thought, and the only point of it is to recruit to their ideas through cultural means rather than overtly political ones...
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Re: Buddhism and the Perennial Philosophy

Postby Wayfarer » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:20 am

Seems a shame to write off the whole traditionalist approach on the basis that Julius Evola may or may not have been fascist.

The criticisms of modern degeneration by the traditionalist writers have a lot of merit, in my view. They are of course outrageously non-PC, but I am very suspicious about the touchy-feely-smiley-face dharma that you often encounter in the modern West. I think the traditional Dharma teachers probably had a lot more in common with The Traditionalists than they do with many 'modern Buddhists'.

Actually I want to add what I see about the distinct merit of the traditionalist approach. A very common materialist argument against all spiritual philoosophies, is to say that they (1) all claim to possess absolute truth and (2) all differ amongst each other as to what it is. This is used to argue that there could be no common object amongst all of them, that they tend to cancel each other out. The idea, then, that the various religious traditions do have some kind of commonality, is an important counter to this argument.

Again this doesn't invalidate or undermine anything about Buddhist teaching.
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Re: Buddhism and the Perennial Philosophy

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
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The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
Original painting by P.Volker /used by permission.

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Profile Picture: "The Foaming Monk"
The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
Original painting by P.Volker /used by permission.


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