So, let me ask you some questions: instead of whining incessantly about how bad and ugly Ajahn Brahms actions are, why don't you just front the cash for the nunnery and refuse Ajahn Brahms offer? Instead of preaching about true Dana why don't you practice it? If you do not have the $450 guarantee, then why not just not take part in the bidding and donate the money you do have? If you are not interested in helping rebuild the Bhikkhuni tradition then why don't you just keep your opinion to yourself and let others that are interested take part? Do you think people are idiots and incapable of making an informed decision regarding their actions without your intervention? Are you so perfect that you can judge others?oushi wrote:Still wondering why it is uncool?
gregkavarnos wrote:oushi wrote:Anyway, when was the last time you tried to build a nunnery? Imagine that: Being condemened for trying to raise money to build a nunnery! Then one wonders why Buddhism is doomed in "the West".
Dana: The Practice of Giving
gregkavarnos wrote:Yes I did. I just practiced a little discernment. It lead me to believe that the benefit from Venerable Ajahn Brahms actions will far outway the negative consequences. We are allowed to practice discenment, you know? Actually, I think the Buddha actually encouraged people to do so, yes?
What about that donation you were going to make for the nunnery then?
oushi wrote:You certainly didn't read the text that I posted.
Yes, well...oushi wrote:I have no idea what it has to do with the topic.
I am penniless, but I am also not complaining about his method. I just sincerely wish that his effort (no matter how misguided people consider it to be, or not) manages to raise the funds necessary to build the nunnery. That's it!I was willing to donate few bucks, but he doesn't seem to be interested in amounts below 1000 $. How about you?
uan wrote:Didn't the Buddha himself go out everyday with his begging bowl to get his meal? Iirc, he didn't send a follower, or expect people to come to him to deliver the food. If we are to use the Buddha's own words and behaviors, then we should go all the way. Which means a whole lot of monks are "corrupted".
gregkavarnos wrote: I just sincerely wish that his effort (no matter how misguided people consider it to be, or not) manages to raise the funds necessary to build the nunnery. That's it!
oushi wrote:Andrew108 wrote:He is not selling any teachings.
And what is he selling?
Yudron wrote:oushi wrote:Andrew108 wrote:He is not selling any teachings.
And what is he selling?
How would you suggest getting the physical structure of a nunnery going?
oushi wrote:uan wrote:Didn't the Buddha himself go out everyday with his begging bowl to get his meal? Iirc, he didn't send a follower, or expect people to come to him to deliver the food. If we are to use the Buddha's own words and behaviors, then we should go all the way. Which means a whole lot of monks are "corrupted".
And what is preventing you to make such a statement?
Yudron wrote:Here is a little slide show about what they have planned. At the end, they have an address where donations of any amount can be sent.
You need shovels to dig. Where are they going to come from? Where are the tents going to come from? What are you going to put in those foundation trenches?
I don't think Theravadin monks are supposed to dig in the earth--there are various vows about destroying plants, insects, and seeds.
Indirectly, yes. Through land, materials and manpower donated by his supporters. And how did they acquire it? Through financial and political power. So where is your beef then?oushi wrote:And where did the Buddha find shovels, how did he dig in the earth, how did he organize his car park? Through the power of the money?
No he is not. He is asking for money to build a nunnery and is willing to offer a week of his time for the money too.oushi wrote:There is a small difference you are not willing to see. Take what is given instead of asking for "Great amount of money". Donors were willing to support a good initiative, not buy a service.
Here, a monk is asking for money (huge amount) in exchange for the Dharma teaching.
Welcome to the 21st Century where EVERYTHING has been reduced to a commodity. Now, having grown up in Poland, obviously there is going to be a time lag, but here in the rest of the capitalist "West" it's been like this for a LONG time. I am not demeaning you by saying that your experience in Poland does not allow you to see things as they are elsewhere. For example, here in Greece, social and political changes have a 20 year time lag. Social and political changes that are being forcefully instituted in Greece now, I experienced in New Zealand in the late 1980's and Australia in the mid 1990's (People in the UK and America lived them in the early 1980's) for better or for worse.Maybe you cannot imagine it, but through the bidding a value of a Dharma teaching will be estimated in money, which will make it a commodity.
So we do nothing original and imaginative just in case criminals try to mimic it?Even if this initiative is successful, if it is successful, it will attract crooks that will try to mimic it.
Logic seems to be the victim here.Dharma is victim here.
Welcome to the 21st Century where EVERYTHING has been reduced to a commodity. Now, having grown up in Poland there is going to be a time lag, but here in the rest of the capitalist west it's been like this for a LONG time.
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