What is real?

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What is real?

Postby oushi » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:10 am

I think that if people cannot agree on the definition of what "real" is, they cannot agree on what is real.

This part of the Matrix always comes to my mind.
So, how do you define "real"?

Ps. first person pointing to an error in Morpheus logic will get a candy :smile:
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Re: What is real?

Postby Grigoris » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:47 am

Why don't you start the ball rolling? :shrug:
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Re: What is real?

Postby oushi » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:52 am

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Re: What is real?

Postby Nothing » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:27 pm

n: This isn't real?
m: What is real? how do you define real? If you are talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see then real is simply electrical signals interpretated by your brain.

"Real" cannot exist without a "definition"
"definition" is subjective due to ones understanding.....therefore varies(just views).....yet its limitation is the language itself.
Yet how can language describe what it is?

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Re: What is real?

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Re: What is real?

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:34 pm

"real" and "exist" in the Buddhist context
refers to something which,
if one were to divide it, dissect it, reduce it,
one would find a finite point at which it could not be
divided or dissected, reduced any further,
where some essential aspect would still remain.
That essential aspect would be defined as "real" or "existent".

Something "real" or "existent" does not have to have any defining qualities or characteristics.
in fact, if it did, these qualities and characteristics could thus be divided
or said to occur only in some relative way.

Space, meaning the area of depth between objects,
that third dimension in our 3D world
can be said to be real even though it has no defining characteristics,
even though, obviously, any length of area within space can be divided
and even if , through modern physics and the theory of wormholes or whatever,
space can be stretched or compressed,
or shown to only occur relative to time
because there is no point at which space can be divided
where you do not simply find more space.

Awareness, too, can be said to be real,
even though it has no defining characteristics, for the same reasons as space.
But awareness shouldn't be confused with mind or consciousness,
which arise in awareness
just as the appearances of objects that arise within space
shouldn't be confused with the space itself.
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Re: What is real?

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:43 pm

Language is merely a method of encryption.
I have a thought,
I convert that thought into sounds, symbols, or gestures.
And, if you know the language,
you can decipher those sounds and symbols, and gestures,
and know my thoughts.
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Re: What is real?

Postby oushi » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:57 pm

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Re: What is real?

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The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
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Re: What is real?

Postby Jesse » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:16 pm

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Re: What is real?

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The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
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Re: What is real?

Postby oushi » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:37 pm

And who can validate this experience of wakefulness? What metrics do you use, to label it "real"? That's the essence of this topic. How can you tell that "awakened" see things as they really are? What those that even mean?
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Re: What is real?

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:26 pm

Reality is unreal.

Relatively speaking.


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Re: What is real?

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:35 pm

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The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
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Re: What is real?

Postby oushi » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:52 pm

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Re: What is real?

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:30 pm

Hate to get all quotey but:

"By & large, Kaccayana, this world is supported by (takes as its object) a polarity, that of existence & non-existence. But when one sees the origination of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'non-existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one. When one sees the cessation of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one.

So reality usually means the small, attenuated sliver of experience we are choosing to focus on at the time, the problem is, we think the sliver is "everything" and it's not even close.
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Re: What is real?

Postby oushi » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:27 pm

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Re: What is real?

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:15 pm

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Re: What is real?

Postby oushi » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:21 pm

The cause of me starting this topic was the amount of "real" and "truth" in Buddhist teachings and discussion. I started it in "Language" just to keep it more broad. We can exchange quotes leaning on authority, but it will somehow go against the topic. :smile:
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