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The underlying mechanism of Kamma

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The underlying mechanism of Kamma

Postby Sacha G » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:25 am

Hello
Does anybody here has an idea of the unerlying mechanism supporting kamma?
Is kamma a code, a piece of information embedded somewhere in the substance of reality? Is there some kind of invisible "matrix" which stores it?
What do U think?
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:30 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The underlying mechanism of Kamma

Postby Sacha G » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:51 am

Hi
Thanx for your answers so far.
Actually the answer is not in the suttas, the Buddha sticked to what was apparent.
I ask about the underlying mechanism. Where does the action go once it is committed? How does one "attract" positive and negative events?
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Re: The underlying mechanism of Kamma

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:59 am

Greetings,

You seek a Dhamma transmitted outside the scriptures? :?

Nonetheless, my answer remains... refer to the Buddha's teachings on dependent origination.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The underlying mechanism of Kamma

Postby Sacha G » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:30 am

Hi Retro
I wanted to know if some have theories about kamma.
For example, the suttas speak of the universe, but science speaks of it more precisely. In the sameway the buddha speaks of kamma (with the minimum to enable liberation), but it could be, maybe, described in a more precise way.
For example D.O says: if you are angry often, you will be reborn ugly.
The simple question I ask is: how is that?
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Re: The underlying mechanism of Kamma

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:36 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The underlying mechanism of Kamma

Postby Sacha G » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:54 am

Sorry Retro
I'm not quite sure to understand. Do u mean one could understand the mechanism of kamma with the study of the sutta? Especially by studying the details of D.O? If that's what you think, then I don't agree. There are "holes" in the theory, and these holes can maybe be filled in, for example with the cittamatra theory of an alaya vijnana, or with the theosophical theory of akashic records...or with the recent theories like "the field" etc...or maybe "god" (at least that's an explanation for some, not mine).
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Re: The underlying mechanism of Kamma

Postby chownah » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:12 pm

I think that kamma can be understood either through right view with effluents (mundane right view) or through right view without effluents (supermundane right view).......when viewed through right view with effluents, themes considered might be on the order of, " if you are angry often, you will be reborn ugly"........when viewed through right view without effluents, themes considered might be on the order of , "how do my intentions give rise to my sense of self"............
I think that these two ways of considering or understanding kamma are so different that any discussion should be focused on one or the other....I think it is possible to discuss both simultaneously but it would be very difficult in that most people seem to be drawn to discussing it either one way or the other and not both........I guess.....but maybe not.....
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Re: The underlying mechanism of Kamma

Postby acinteyyo » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:04 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: The underlying mechanism of Kamma

Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:32 pm

By the way, does Arahant know exactly the mechanism of karma?
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: The underlying mechanism of Kamma

Postby Zom » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:43 pm

Not on 100%. This is only Buddha's knowledge.

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Re: The underlying mechanism of Kamma

Postby Sacha G » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:56 pm

Hello
There might be some confusion in vocabulary here.
By the ' mechanism of kamma', I don't mean the detailed processes in particular cases, but the general functionning. For example, an apple falls because of gravity. This is the general functionning of falling. But where precisely an apple will fall down when one throws it is a particular case.
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