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3 Bodies of the Buddha

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: 3 Bodies of the Buddha

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I wonder if empowerment is needed for papanca these days.... :tongue:

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Re: 3 Bodies of the Buddha

Postby DarwidHalim » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:18 am

From my thread 'what body or kaya is this?', it seems that Theravada may not need Trikaya concept. However, from the Sutta quoted in the thread, we have to acknowledge Theravada has different kind of kaya or body. It is label in different term.

Theravada may not need to understand Trikaya because if we see their method of training particularly in the breathing meditation, they dont mention sambogakaya etc. The path or technique doesn't required us to understand what is trikaya.

However, in Mahayana particularly Vajrayana, the understanding of trikaya is extremely crucial. Without understanding it, the technique which the practitioner use according to Mahayana Or Vajrayana technique cannot be carried out properly.

Trikaya itself are just label. Nothing more than that. It is just a label to explain some aspect, where if 1 school want to explain it then they can create a label for it. If others do not need to explain that aspect, they can skip it.

In terms of ultimate truth, whatever kayas those schools have, they are simply intellectual name. Nothing can exist (inherently) in ultimate truth.
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Re: 3 Bodies of the Buddha

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I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: 3 Bodies of the Buddha

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shhh ... secret ;)

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Re: 3 Bodies of the Buddha

Postby DarwidHalim » Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:50 am

It is not I don't want to share it, but it is because this forum is for Theravada. We need to respect the rules on this forum. In case you want to know, you can post it to dharmawheel. Many of us will share with you their views.
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Re: 3 Bodies of the Buddha

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I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: 3 Bodies of the Buddha

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I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: 3 Bodies of the Buddha

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Re: 3 Bodies of the Buddha

Postby brahmabull » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:17 pm

This was an interesting read. The Vajrayanists especially need a Tri-Kaya notion, because ALL their methods come from a Sambhogakaya manifestation. Why the kayas matter for practice is because they have a nested approach to understanding how to manifest Buddhahood. For example, they will explain the outer, inner, secret and ultimate levels of the three kayas. Outer would be the nirmana is the buddha's body, the sambhoga is the buddha's speech and the dharma is the buddha's mind. Then, there are further nested descriptions and finally you get to the ultimate where the nirmana is thoughts (thoughts and emotions), sambhoga is their continuous unobstructed flow and dharma is their illusory "moon in water" nature and these taken together are the svabhavikaya or the total buddha situation. They teach if you can get into this ultimate practice, the secret, inner and outer manifestations of buddha will become realized in one life or in the intermediate state. That's basically the gist of Vajrayana. That none of this was taught in the Pali canon is no deterrent to a Vajrayanist, because they would think you have to be pretty simple minded to think an omniscient buddha with miracle powers was not working on several levels, not just our human realm, or that the buddha didn't teach beings in other realms, or that those beings didn't attain bodhi and then begin at some point to offer teachings to humans. The Trikaya is a way to account for these interactions. I personally do not have a fixed position about these things. I don't care either way.

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