Where are these rules about what is or is not Dzogchen and who came up with them? I'm sure my teacher would be find them amusing.
Never mind dualism. Just try to get beyond illusion a bit, or at least beyond the arrogance of conceptual mind. If you cannot see or understand perhaps it's because the ideas you have are blinding you, they have become your limitations. Ideas and beliefs are only just that, ideas you have. Or rather, ideas that have you.
Now i know this is an odd way of putting it -
From the practice of dream yoga comes the insight that all in dreams is illusion, created of thought forms, and there is no difference in dream and waking world. All material existence is merely thought form including you and me. In other words, you are a tulpa that you create unwittingly, without knowing how or why.
I was talking to another disciple in my sangha about this the other day and she looked incredulous. To go from something as nebulous as a dream form to that which appears to be as substantial as a human entity, a physical body and mind that apparently thinks, is quite a leap. For an explanation all i could say is that we are just really really good at it! (Making tulpas)
She had once accidently and unknowingly created an entity that gave her a bit of trouble. One of those things that go bump in the night. People do this often. They think they are being attacked by external unrelated evil forces or sometimes have an angel by their side. 'Tulpas' and their sort are not that hard to create. There's lots of different names and forms for them throughout various cultures.
My teacher told me some time ago that i was far advanced in dream yoga. I'll take his word for it. In one of my experiments i would start with empty space in a dream and create a form. Observing these can be enlightening, considering where they come from. It's been some time since i've done the yoga but i hope to begin again soon.
At the very least it's always nice to know what you are doing so you can know what not to do. I don't want to inadvertently wind up with a bunch of odd creature/entities running around bugging the neighbors. There's probably a reason yogis tend to be hermits......"For an explanation all i could say is that we are just really really good at it!"
For myself, i'm not satisfied with that. I want more insight into this progression through thought form to a physical being. Insight, not knowledge. Knowledge is transitory, insight stays with you. Insight is gained through experience, not from books or teachers. They can only point the the way. Your teacher can't do it for you. Hearing something is not the same as seeing it, realizing it for yourself. In any way, any thing, everything, whatever, all of the time. I'll use everything that comes my way and anything i want to.
Thank you asunthatneversets for your whole interesting post. Although i hope it's understood that Western ideation and translation can be far from the original meaning. Especially thanks for this:
From the post by asunthatneversets on Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:22 am
If anything though the whole process just speaks to the accuracy of the five lights etc and how they become solidified as the five elements through adulteration.
That's more like it! It pretty much says it all.