Consider the Surangama Sutra. (we're in the Zen forum, so this text is particularly well-warranted.) The early chapters of this text are devoted to specific and lengthy criticisms of Ananda's approach to spiritual practice. You're an old man, Ananda, and you still don't get it?! What have you been doing with your time... Should Ananda turn away from this criticism, retreat into himself or some fantasy world of sweetness and light, and blame the Buddha for this instruction?
Yes, let us consider the Shurangama Sutra.
The Buddha was Ananda's Master.
He was his agreed-upon, and consented-to, trusted spiritual Teacher. Ananda was his loving and trusting student and desciple.
In the context of the above, in the Shurangama Sutra, Ananda was asking Him for advice. He was opening himself up to criticism from his trusted spiritual advisor, and Someone who had intimate and detailed knowledge of his spiritual practice.
In the context of the thread you were reffering to, when it comes to Sasaki, Baker, Eko, Treeleaf Sangha, and others mentioned;
You, are none of those things.
You are not their Teacher. Nor do you have intimate and detailed knowledge of their spiritual practice, which qualifies you for giving them advice. Nor, are they your students, nor, are they asking you for advice. Nor, do they trust you enough to give it to them.
You are comparing yourself to the Buddha, and them to Ananda, the Buddha's desciple.
Your relationship to them, the people in question is neither, nor are you qualified to be giving them advice, nor have they asked for it, as Ananda was of his Teacher.
You have made, observations that if I may say so are rather obvious, stating that "there has been some hurt or harm made."
That doesn't give you some supreme or qualified wisdom from which to base your criticisms from.
Nor are you intimately familiar with the people in question, so as to be able to say something, or phrase it in a way in which it might help them with their practice.
All you are doing is spouting off the obvious, of which they, and people arround them are already well aware, which isn't helping the people in question in any way.
Nor are you, and others nessecarily saying it in order to be helpful to the people in question.
You are simply saying it, to be saying it. Idle chatter.
I don't see that as Wisdom Jikan, nor do I see you as Shakyamuni Buddha.
Or them, your desciple.
You are being Proud of yourself, (thinking youself above them) and blaming others. (Not interested in helping them for their actions)
That isn't wisdom.
It's actually, breaking a Zen Precept.
If, they had asked you for advice, that'd be different.
If, you were their Teacher, that'd be different.
If, they knew you and trusted you, and asked you for your help, that'd be different.
If you knew them well enough to give them good advice, that'd be different.
If, you were talking to them directly, trying to help them, rather than spread arround blame behind their backs, that'd be different.
But you arn't.
You're doing, and arn't none of those things.
And that's the big difference between you, and what Shakyamuni Buddha was to Ananda in that context.
"Life is full of suffering. AND Life is full of the Eternal
IT IS OUR CHOICE
We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
We can turn around.
It is OUR choice." -Rev. Basil
" ...out of fear, even the good harm one another. " -Rev. Dazui MacPhillamy