oushi wrote: If you don't know about something, you do not suffer from it.
no one else can tell you about your suffering, because it is your experience and you will not achieve anything by lying to yourself about it.
Is the idea of "needing" a teacher just a control system?
Only one person in a million becomes enlightened without a teacher’s help. If, though, by the conjunction of conditions, someone understands what the Buddha meant, that person doesn’t need a teacher. Such a person has a natural awareness superior to anything taught. But unless you’re so blessed, study hard, and by means of instruction you’ll understand.
jeeprs wrote:Tobes wrote:Who's doing that work? What is being worked upon?
That's the question! think that in Buddhism, in particular, 'what does the work' is 'insight'. It is the very process of 'seeing things as they are' that is the factor of liberation. In the Vipassana schools, it is taught in terms of dependent origination, whilst in the Mahayana schools, it is taught in terms of Śūnyatā.
So it is true that the processes being learned about are 'internal' but they are in a sense also unconscious or not fully disclosed to conscious introspection. There is a barrier to overcome in order to really 'get' that insight. And I think that's where the role of the spiritual teacher (mentor, director, guide) is indispensable.
dorjeshonnu wrote:not preciselytobes wrote:the process of moving from moksha to nirvana involves arriving at your own insight;
this involves arriving at a jina's insight
while such a thing may await some seeker
in its event it appears as a particular instance
as a phenomenon it is not some thing that is ownedvictory requires hearing and putting to usetaming your own faculties; harnessing your own mental processes; developing your own understanding
without receiving a buddhist view
there appears no arena for taming
no bridle for harnessing
no process for developingeach resulting from causesFactors of absorption, faculties, path factors, powers, wholesome and unwholesome roots...aggregatesWho's doing that work? What is being worked upon?while this point seems to have been acknowledged as an afterthoughtexternal things may be necessary conditions to facilitate that transition
it does not seem integrated into the statements quoted abovethese are processes of relation, not merely interioritycontent of teachings, the skillful means of teachers - but the processes are really internal processes.
PadmaVonSamba wrote:oushi wrote: If you don't know about something, you do not suffer from it.
If ignorance is bliss, then why practice dharma?
rob h wrote: The last 15-20 mins didn't involve much meditation because it involved extreme levels of pain in one of my legs as I approached the hour. The only thing that got me through it was the thought "Do you want to sit through this all over again as you try to approach 60 mins for the 1st time?" That thought alone made me focus more than freaking out about the pain and it worked.
PadmaVonSamba wrote:The more a persons moves out of their comfort zone, the bigger it becomes!
not entirely correctPadmaVonSamba wrote:It is true that your suffering is your own experience, yours and yours alone.
google this:tobes wrote:Sure. I agree with everything you say here. But what are the most important processes of relation?
I think it is pretty clear in the Abhidharma that they are the internal processes.
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