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Necessity to have a God to tell us what is right and wrong?

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Necessity to have a God to tell us what is right and wrong?

Postby unspoken » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:55 pm

There's been many questions arising from most of my friends that struggles between Christianity and Science & Humanity. The thing is, most of them would wonder, if there's no God or the words of God, then the world will be chaotic. Everyone will be killing each other and they(christians) say there will only be sin-days for everyone. What do you think and what answer you have in mind to answer this question?

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Re: Necessity to have a God to tell us what is right and wrong?

Postby Fede » Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:12 pm

"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: Necessity to have a God to tell us what is right and wrong?

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Postby Otsom » Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:28 pm

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Re: Necessity to have a God to tell us what is right and wrong?

Postby jackson » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:05 pm

Thanks for sharing that video Nicro!
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Re: Necessity to have a God to tell us what is right and wrong?

Postby Moggalana » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:55 pm

There is no need to believe in a god in order to lead an ethical life. The idea that people are only good because they fear punishment is pretty . I would encourage you and/or your friends to read about .

The Buddha also rejected the idea of an omnipotent god who created the world and acts as a judge. Instead, buddhist ethics are based on the insight that every sentient being seeks happiness and tries to avoid suffering. You should, therefore, avoid certain unskillful actions because they lead to self-affliction, to the affliction of others or to both.
Let it come. Let it be. Let it go.

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Re: Necessity to have a God to tell us what is right and wrong?

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Re: Necessity to have a God to tell us what is right and wrong?

Postby plwk » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:21 pm

Image

First, there is an assumption that without the rod(s), there's no peace
Second, there is an assumption that this very rod(s) itself is the only perfect solution
Third, there is an assumption that everyone is born an animal, therefore needing the rod(s)
Fourth, there is an assumption because I fail to control myself, therefore everyone else can't too, hence the rod(s)
Fifth, there is an assumption that everyone have to accept the idea of the rod(s)
Sixth, if anyone does not buy the assumption, then they will use the rod(s) on you
Seventh, there is an assumption that these assumptions proves that all need the rod(s)

Finally...what did they say about assuming? Image

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Re: Necessity to have a God to tell us what is right and wrong?

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:35 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Necessity to have a God to tell us what is right and wrong?

Postby unspoken » Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:06 am

I don't think I am able to convince them to understand and get rid of that wrong idea of them. But in my situation, there are too much people getting started to be a Believer and eventually what I said will get 'overwrite' by the other believer'S'

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Re: Necessity to have a God to tell us what is right and wrong?

Postby Ben » Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:39 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Re: Necessity to have a God to tell us what is right and wrong?

Postby Jhana4 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:24 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Necessity to have a God to tell us what is right and wrong?

Postby befriend » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:46 pm

some people are right some people are wrong. to think otherwise is nihilistic. clearly you dont need god to give you morals. morals come from what causes peace. i for one love it when people say your wrong, and try to change my mind. because i am open minded, i am ridiculously opinionated but i understand a lot of my opinoins are probably total delusion. so i welcome others teaching me and seeing the other side. are certain things not fact? fact. atheists can be moral. fact. people who say morals can only come from god, are WRONG. so we should inform them of this. and they will be grateful for the facts.
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