

Knotty Veneer wrote: The black people who I have met at dharma centres were all graduates with good jobs.
If it is a sign that there is a latent racism or exclusivity in Buddhist groups in the West - that is a serious issue and one we need to address.
Huseng wrote:Is this a western problem, or really just America?
kirtu wrote:Huseng wrote:Is this a western problem, or really just America?
It's a western problem. How many Gypsys are in the practice centers in German, Polish, Czech, Slovak place? How many North Africans are welcome in French centers, etc? I don't know the answers because I no longer live in Europe and haven't for a while but on trips to Austria and Germany for Kalachakra in 2006 and 2007 there were no minorities per se aside from Asian's. Are there any First Nation people's in practice center's in Canada? I've heard of some but is there a story there? How about Black Canadians (I forgot to ask my African-American-Canadian relatives in Toronto what they call themselves but I only met them once)?
Kirt
JKhedrup wrote:To explore the Asian side of things(as they are also classed as people of colout) I have found that there is a sort of racist attitude on the side of (White) Western Buddhists who pejoritavely refer to "Ethnic Buddhism". It is almost an attitude of condescension.
I am very aware of the benefits that "Asian Buddhists" bring to the table.
1. They were born into Buddhism. So there is less of that "I'm Mr/Ms Special Pants" attitude you get with Western converts.
2. In many cases they can read traditional texts in their source language.
3. They support the temples wholeheartedly- they don't approach Buddhism as a commodity "I'll pay for that course because then I get to do that practice"etc.
4. They generally appreciate the role of monastic Sangha and don't have the sometimes hostile attitude towards monastic ordination you find in Western converts.
I am fully aware that especially in my tradition if it weren't for faithful practitioners in Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan and overeseas Asian communities, the monasteries that train our teachers would not be able to maintain the students in a way that lets them study and practice deeply full time.
For this reason, I really think we should re-evaluate the label "ethnic Buddhism".
JKhedrup wrote:There must be another word.
The word itself is not the main problem. The main problem is when Western Buddhists and scholars use the term "ethnic Buddhism" it is often with a sort of belittling attitude. "Ethnic Buddhists don't meditate", "They just do rituals" etc. The pejorative association has made the word a problem. As a white man I don't know how much I can really say about this topic, so I would quote from this website:
The website "Angry Asian Buddhist" although it has an unappealing title and the author is, as the title indicates, a hothead, makes some points that should give us pause:
http://www.angryasianbuddhist.com/2012/ ... oblem.html
I wish people would stop calling us “ethnic Buddhists.” Lewis Richmond did it again today when he referred to Asian Buddhists as “ethnic Buddhists” in his Huffington Post article. His categorization of the Buddhist community into “ethnic and non-ethnic Buddhists” is a crude version of Charles Prebish’s already crude “two Buddhisms” model. Prebish himself is no stranger to the term “ethnic,” which he recently used to refer to Asian Buddhist communities in a Tricycle blog piece.
http://www.angryasianbuddhist.com/2012/ ... .html#more
Todd’s Two Buddhisms are dubbed “ethnic Buddhism” and “Westernized Buddhism,” and he describes each group by their usual stereotypes. Ethnic Buddhism, for example, is “practised mostly by Asian immigrants, most of whom cannot speak English.” This assertion is incredible. According to the Canadian Census, the vast majority of Asians in British Columbia speak English, so why does Todd propose that Asian Buddhists are so much more unlikely to speak English than their non-Buddhist counterparts?
Astus wrote:Gypsies are often considered people who cannot integrate into the larger society. It's not simply a matter of skin colour but they are often considered a separate nation/ethnicity. Nevertheless, in Hungary there is a Buddhist community specialising in gypsies: http://www.jaibhim.hu/ Note that this group works among very poor people. So I'd say that it's not really a matter of colour but social status that decides how much one can relate to Buddhism at its current status. It is not the religion for working class. SGI provides a simple teaching with simple goals and active evangelising, so it works (at least in America).
Another unfortunate factor, at least in Hungary, is that the form of Buddhism that is popular among lower class people is often mixed with nationalistic ideals, something that gypsies can hardly relate to.
dzogchungpa wrote:May I ask if there are any "African Americans or people of color" reading this thread who would be willing to share their thoughts on this issue?

RikudouSennin wrote:money is the #1 concern for people of color in america, where at the bottom as far as the progress of community goes, so most black folk dont care about things that will take eons to happen.
It has to do with vibes, most dharma centers dont offer the vibe we(black americans) resonate with. it's too uptight most the time, but i always shake things up![]()
most black folks are christian,so they can care less about buddha.
most black folks dont know about the dharma, because there is no presence in our community, plus its expensive to do alot of the things. even if we could afford more than likely there is something more pressing that deserves the money.
these are my personal views.
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dzogchungpa wrote:RikudouSennin wrote:money is the #1 concern for people of color in america, where at the bottom as far as the progress of community goes, so most black folk dont care about things that will take eons to happen.
It has to do with vibes, most dharma centers dont offer the vibe we(black americans) resonate with. it's too uptight most the time, but i always shake things up![]()
most black folks are christian,so they can care less about buddha.
most black folks dont know about the dharma, because there is no presence in our community, plus its expensive to do alot of the things. even if we could afford more than likely there is something more pressing that deserves the money.
these are my personal views.
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So, from your point of view, practically speaking, is there anything that American buddhists could do about this?
more fun and dancing

Nighthawk wrote:Majority of African Americans just simply don't have the time and money as privileged whites do to study and be educated about other religions other than their own religion which is mainly protestant Christianity.
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