Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western Zen

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Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

Postby Yudron » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:24 am

On the face of it, it sounds terrible. I have been closely connected with three Tibetan lamas for 14 to 16 years, including co-leading centers, living with them, and so forth, and have more peripheral relationships with about 10 others. I have never encountered anything that even remotely resembles what you are talking about. But, the lamas I know will talk about this kind of thing, so I know there are truly rogue lamas out there.
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Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

Postby Sara H » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:39 am

"Life is full of suffering. AND Life is full of the Eternal
IT IS OUR CHOICE
We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
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We can turn around.
It is OUR choice." -Rev. Basil Singer

" ...out of fear, even the good harm one another. " -Rev. Dazui MacPhillamy

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Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

Postby Indrajala » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:51 am

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Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

Postby Sara H » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:03 am

Regarding a follow-up to Tobes,

When I say Buddhism is not Christianity, what I mean is we don't have things that we close our heart to. Wheras Christianity does. That's sortof a practice for them actually, they sortof close their heart to one thing, whilst opening it to the next.

We don't do that. That's not our practice. Our practice is to teach ourselves to leave an open heart to everything, not just most of it.

In Christianity, a "sin" is something you close your heart to, because it is evil, and apart from God.

In Buddhism we view that nothing is apart from "God", from the Cosmic Buddha, and so we don't judge it, that is, we don't close our heart to it. We keep compassion open to it, even if it is hard, or really harmful, the thing we are looking at. We still don't judge it, or practice not to, and practice keeping an open heart full of compassion. That's the difference.

When pointing out this "Christianized thinking", what I meant was, it seemed some people, when obseving these actions of others, these Priests and Laypeople who are going through this, it seemed some people were closing their heart to those acused, whether they did it or not.

In Buddhism we keep an open heart to someone, even if they have done harm. We don't judge them and close our heart off to someone.

Does that better explain it I hope?

I hope it does.

If not, I'll keep at it again, because it's worth talking about.

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We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
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" ...out of fear, even the good harm one another. " -Rev. Dazui MacPhillamy

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Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

Postby Sara H » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:57 am

"Life is full of suffering. AND Life is full of the Eternal
IT IS OUR CHOICE
We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
OR
We can turn around.
It is OUR choice." -Rev. Basil Singer

" ...out of fear, even the good harm one another. " -Rev. Dazui MacPhillamy

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Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

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Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

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Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

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Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

Postby dzogchungpa » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:56 pm

Looking over this thread, it seems like Sara H and Matylda have been effectively functioning as apologists for what they call Zen, and they both present themselves as knowledgeable insiders. However, there seems to be a deep discrepancy between their understandings of what a "Zen master" is. My questions for you both, and anyone else who cares to respond, are these: How are we to resolve this? Are neither, one, or both of these points of view correct? It seems that the confusion about what a "Zen master" is may be one of the underlying issues here.
Through Dzogchen we can really understand what God is and we don’t have to worry if there is a God or not. God always exists as our real nature, the base, for everybody. - Chögyal Namkhai Norbu

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Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

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Re: Sex Taboo's & applying Christianized thinking in Western

Postby greentara » Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:29 am

dzogchungpa, I couldn't agree more....."Looking over this thread, it seems like Sara H and Matylda have been effectively functioning as apologists for what they call Zen, and they both present themselves as knowledgeable insiders. However, there seems to be a deep discrepancy between their understandings of what a "Zen master" is. My questions for you both, and anyone else who cares to respond, are these: How are we to resolve this? Are neither, one, or both of these points of view correct? It seems that the confusion about what a "Zen master" is may be one of the underlying issues here"
I found alot of sarah H replies a little confusing and uneven and Matylda seems to have little give, often teetering on the aggressive.

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