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Re: lotus sutra debate

Postby Ben » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:43 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: lotus sutra debate

Postby Nicro » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:00 am

Compassion is characterized as promoting the aspect of allaying suffering. Its function resides in not bearing others’ suffering. It is manifested as non-cruelty. Its proximate cause is to see helplessness in those overwhelmed by suffering. It succeeds when it makes cruelty subside and it fails when it produces sorrow.

VSM, Ch. IX The Divine Abidings

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Re: lotus sutra debate

Postby befriend » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:07 am

this topic kind of reminds of buddha teaching the Kalamas. who were not buddhists. buddha said to test things out to see if they reduce suffering and create peace, not to adhere to something just because of common sense, papanca, because its in holy books, tradition, because our teacher.....etc.. these lotus buddhists arent following the kalamas sutta. whatever im just talking now im defenitely not going to try to change there minds or save them from themselves or whatever. metta.
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Re: lotus sutra debate

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Re: lotus sutra debate

Postby chownah » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:36 am

No need to debate.
My view on the lotus sutra is that perhaps some day I will appreciate what wisdom it contains......
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Re: lotus sutra debate

Postby Kare » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:45 am

Mettāya,
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Re: lotus sutra debate

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Re: lotus sutra debate

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:41 am

Greetings Tilt,

Re: Chownah's view, you just quoted it.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: lotus sutra debate

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Re: lotus sutra debate

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:06 am

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: lotus sutra debate

Postby befriend » Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:38 pm

im sorry but its a fact that a person who chants that chant and has faith in the lotus sutra will not destory there passions and become ahhahaha, i cant even finish that sentence with laughing.
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Re: lotus sutra debate

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:23 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: lotus sutra debate

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Re: lotus sutra debate

Postby befriend » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:49 pm

nothing can destroy a man who has lived a pure life

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Re: lotus sutra debate

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:18 pm

befriend, you and other Theravada practitioners don't have those qualities either.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: lotus sutra debate

Postby PeterB » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:19 pm

I cant prove that none of them have achieved those things as a result of that practice, and neither can you befriend. You are free to accept or deny their belief system. Your doing either is not fact based though. It is another belief system.


In any case ; " What another does or does not do is not my concern. What I do or do not do that is my concern "

The Buddha ...Dhammapada.

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Re: lotus sutra debate

Postby befriend » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:45 pm

nothing can destroy a man who has lived a pure life

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