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Dualism

Postby Stig » Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:45 pm

Can anyone justify a distinct ontological mind-body dualism from the Suttas?

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Re: Dualism

Postby cooran » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:25 pm

Hello Stig,

This might be of interest:

DHAMMA AND NON-DUALITY by Bhikkhu Bodhi :
.......‘’The teaching of the Buddha as found in the Pali Canon does not endorse a philosophy of non-dualism of any variety, nor, I would add, can a non-dualistic perspective be found lying implicit within the Buddha's discourses.

At the same time, however, I would not maintain that the Pali Suttas propose dualism, the positing of duality as a metaphysical hypothesis aimed at intellectual assent.

I would characterize the Buddha's intent in the Canon as primarily pragmatic rather than speculative, though I would also qualify this by saying that this pragmatism does not operate in a philosophical void but finds its grounding in the nature of actuality as the Buddha penetrated it in his enlightenment. In contrast to the non-dualistic systems, the Buddha's approach does not aim at the discovery of a unifying principle behind or beneath our experience of the world. Instead it takes the concrete fact of living experience, with all its buzzing confusion of contrasts and tensions, as its starting point and framework, within which it attempts to diagnose the central problem at the core of human existence and to offer a way to its solution. Hence the polestar of the Buddhist path is not a final unity but the extinction of suffering, which brings the resolution of the existential dilemma at its most fundamental level.’’........
http://www.vipassana.com/resources/bodh ... uality.php

There is also a previous thread on this which may be of interest:
Dualism: Does Theravada address it? If so, how?
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=7672

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Re: Dualism

Postby Stig » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:58 pm

Thanks; i mean specifically substance dualism in the aggregates, as opposed to metaphysical/noumenal dualism between samsara & nibbana, and so on.

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Re: Dualism

Postby cooran » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:33 pm

Hello Stig,

Maybe the Bhāra Sutta: The Burden – have a look at the three translations and their notes.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... html#fnt-7

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Re: Dualism

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:01 pm

Yes, we have no dualism or monism or non-dualism:


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Re: Dualism

Postby Travis » Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:23 am

Great links. Very interesting.
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Re: Dualism

Postby DarwidHalim » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:14 am

In my opinion, this is more to a philosophical question.

When there is no self, the term called subject or object are not relevant and ridiculous.

In this way, normally we said there is no dualism. Because dualism means there is subject and object.

However, no dualism seems to imply monolism, which also not true. Because monolism has subject or object as 1 entity.

At ultimate level, there is no dualism nor monolism nor multilism.

Some people when they say non dualism, they also imply non-monolism or non-multilism.

However, there are people who imply that if we say non-dualism, it means we imply monolism or multilism.

To me, it is just a matter of which relative truth we want to adopt.

As long as we can know that at ultimate level or ultimate truth, reality is not dualism nor monolism nor multilism, it is fine.
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I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
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Re: Dualism

Postby gavesako » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:33 am

There is a post about this here:

Wholeness, connection, and meditation: Competing visions

https://meaningness.wordpress.com/2011/ ... g-visions/
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